Brand New CZ-75 SP-01 Tactical issue. Did I get a lemon?

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I was pretty happy to see my new CZ75 tactical arrived today until I disassembled it for initial inspection. there are lots of scratch/tool marks on the slide as shown in the picture which is NOT what I expected out of a CZ. It's the worst new guns I have so far, well, even worse than the used g22 and sr1911 I bought of here. Not to mention that I expected it to be in par if not better than my p226 which has excellent workmanship. Did I get a lemon or this is normal with CZ? Thanks

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nope. it's new from a full service retailer on this site. sent msg to ask and have to see what they say tomorrow as the store is closed here.

J_K_S said:
That's a new pistol? Yikes! Send it back. Where was it purchased? Was it a shop demo?
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Yikes indeed....mine never looked like that...looks like someone ran it quite a few times? Interested to see how you get on....
 
I wouldn't be worried, that's probably just from test firing at the factory. My cz sp-01 shadow line looked pretty similar from what I can recall and it runs beautifully.
 
even though I am not worried about its reliability, there is no way the marks are from test fire which should only be very limited rounds, also there are marks on both sides of the slide, VERTICAL to the slide direction during firing which is impossible caused by the normal slide movement during firing regardless the mileage. If you still have your CZ, can you take a look you have big marks like that now VERTICAL or in 60/70 degree angle with the slide travel direction as shown in my picture?

Chiro said:
I wouldn't be worried, that's probably just from test firing at the factory. My cz sp-01 shadow line looked pretty similar from what I can recall and it runs beautifully.
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luckey said:
or I should just bring out my sander and it will be smooth like mirror in no time, right? sigh... Just my luck. One of those days.
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Lapping compound if you want, but a bit of light grease or gun oil on the rails and a thousand rounds will be more fun.
 
luckey said:
even though I am not worried about its reliability, there is no way the marks are from test fire which should only be very limited rounds, also there are marks on both sides of the slide, VERTICAL to the slide direction during firing which is impossible caused by the normal slide movement during firing regardless the mileage. If you still have your CZ, can you take a look you have big marks like that now VERTICAL or in 60/70 degree angle with the slide travel direction as shown in my picture?
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I think you mean perpendicular and are referring to the marks that look like they were part of the original casting or forging ( not sure how the slides are made probably forged, so I guess they are machine marks from dull cutters?)
Don't forget that your gun is a "duty" style pistol and is not meant to be a show piece or competition gun...... many production duty guns are a bit roughly finished on the inside. I wouldn't worry about it as it will smooth out over time and any grooves remaining will just help with oil retention..... :)

Here's a random picture off the web of someone else's gun that I can only assume has been shot a fair bit, and you can still see the machining marks and imperfections,
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I do understand it's production gun and in fact I only buy production guns as I am a shooter, not collector. However, I believe you should get what you pay for. At this price point, I think it should be at least in par with my p226. it's just not even close.
the picture you post is a little too small to make out the marks on the slide. however, the biggest one I can see is evidently from repeatedly slide movement which would be normal. My P226 is at exactly 830 rounds(yes, I track exact round count for each of my guns) and is way better than what's shown in your picture, and then this picture appears to be way better than my brand new CZ, especially those deep marks in all directions. If it's a M&P or Glock, I will just take it as is(and my glock and m&P used are better than this), not a "brand new" CZ75. It looks like worse than some of the Norinco(maybe because they both were communist countries. :p ).
Of course, the feeling in my hands and the fitting do feel like million dollars, just to be fair. I think it would easily out-shoot my p226 extreme. the double action trigger is lighter than p226 extreme, and single action is light enough, but not too light as the shadow I shot once which is exactly how I imaged and one of the main reasons I bought this over shadow, even though shadow is cheaper, more popular and easier to tune.

Can-down said:
I think you mean perpendicular and are referring to the marks that look like they were part of the original casting or forging ( not sure how the slides are made probably forged, so I guess they are machine marks from dull cutters?)
Don't forget that your gun is a "duty" style pistol and is not meant to be a show piece or competition gun...... many production duty guns are a bit roughly finished on the inside. I wouldn't worry about it as it will smooth out over time and any grooves remaining will just help with oil retention..... :)

Here's a random picture off the web of someone else's gun that I can only assume has been shot a fair bit, and you can still see the machining marks and imperfections,
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Most of the retailers that are sponsors here are easy to deal with and will be happy to take the gun back and try to find you a better one if possible.
The cutting tools do need replacing from time to time so it makes sense that some are a bit rougher then others, not ideal quality control for sure but I guess in their minds if it still shoots well enough in testing then the gun is good to go.

See if the shop has any more and get them to send you some pictures.
 
I don't know where you got it but in your other post you did say you got it for an "old stock price". Maybe there was more to it that possibly wasn't disclosed to you. Anyway I'd start by calling the retailer and asking what the deal is.

A quick search shows that other CZ buyers have made the same observations vs the sig. My cz definitely didn't have those marks but it was a canadian version which they put a little more effort into apparently.
 
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we will find out soon enough. that was the last one in the shop. :(

Can-down said:
Most of the retailers that are sponsors here are easy to deal with and will be happy to take the gun back and try to find you a better one if possible.
The cutting tools do need replacing from time to time so it makes sense that some are a bit rougher then others, not ideal quality control for sure but I guess in their minds if it still shoots well enough in testing then the gun is good to go.

See if the shop has any more and get them to send you some pictures.
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I'll take a look at mine tomorrow afternoon and try to post a picture for you. I really don't think mine looks much different than yours. As others have mentioned, I presume it will smooth out with use.
luckey said:
even though I am not worried about its reliability, there is no way the marks are from test fire which should only be very limited rounds, also there are marks on both sides of the slide, VERTICAL to the slide direction during firing which is impossible caused by the normal slide movement during firing regardless the mileage. If you still have your CZ, can you take a look you have big marks like that now VERTICAL or in 60/70 degree angle with the slide travel direction as shown in my picture?
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luckey said:
I was pretty happy to see my new CZ75 tactical arrived today until I disassembled it for initial inspection. there are lots of scratch/tool marks on the slide as shown in the picture which is NOT what I expected out of a CZ. It's the worst new guns I have so far, well, even worse than the used g22 and sr1911 I bought of here. Not to mention that I expected it to be in par if not better than my p226 which has excellent workmanship. Did I get a lemon or this is normal with CZ? Thanks

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Mine did not look like that at all.

I'd bring it to their attention.
 
Well. price alone won't say anything. right now we still can see deals pop up now and then due to inventory clearing out or just last a few sitting for long time etc. And from where I bought my first gun(not where I got this CZ), some of the guns are still at the prices I saw 8 months ago before dollar tanked. It really depends on how the flow it is at a particular store. This local store from which I bought the CZ has very good reputation, not only here, but also locally in Toronto, GTA area. So, I would like to believe this might be something else, even a rare out-of-factory manufacturing issue. Nonetheless, I would like to have it addressed. It's pity. Such as well balanced gun in my hand. I was so looking forward to do the range report I promised you on that post. It should be a good one. Well, here you have the first part even though the root cause is still TBD.

gdawg said:
I don't know where you got it but in your other post you did say you got it for an "old stock price". Maybe there was more to it that possibly wasn't disclosed to you. Anyway I'd start by calling the retailer and asking what the deal is.

A quick search shows that other CZ buyers have made the same observations vs the sig. My cz definitely didn't have those marks but it was a canadian version which they put a little more effort into apparently.
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