Affordlble non-restricted .223/5.56

Not to be a smartass or rag on ya but....why does it have to be 223?

Frankly the round is a varmint rd...poor performance on anything other than..varmints..and small ones.
Once you leave the 223 rd behind there are many good choices in NR semis out there. You also have to leave behind the "tactical" thing behind too...

If you want/need "tactical" in 223 NR get out your wallet...there are plenty of companies who have created just what you are looking for..at ridiculous price for value.
If you are satisfied with the 223 as far as ballistics go...then consider leaving behind semi....do you really need it? Get better at gun handling/loading/rifle skills...and enjoy sooo much more value for your money in a 223.

Lastly...what is so repulsive with the Mini14? Good quality/handling/size/function/reliability/aftermarket support. Current models are as accurate as a similarily priced AR.

I own and shoot AR's...they are very cool/easy to shoot well, work on, play with..being able to swap out parts from gun to gun is awesome....BUT the fun stops when I leave the range....or until the law laxes and or the world goes to hell...the latter far more likely.

These are the only ways to get yer' semi 223 on outside of the range.

Frankly my bone stock as issued SKS's are a waaayyy better go for CDN real world semi auto rifle needs. Available/cheap/compact/reliable/easy to work on and repair/tough/ and fire a waayyy more suitable round for the real world needs of a CDN whether it's hunting, protection, varmint control, security, plinking etc.....with ammo both plentiful/affordable. If one feels the need/want to be cooler/tactical there is plenty of crap out there to satisfy.
Most if not all dangerous predators.... thumbs or no thumbs.... in NA can be taken down with 7.62x39....notsomuch with the 223...especially when there's cover and or the hits aren't accurate.

For smaller varmint protection/control/defense and any other use where a 223 semi fits the bill...in Canada a Mini 14 is the obvious and sole choice under or ~ $1K.
Fast follow up shots, being able to dismount the mag to satisfy the law ..on/off/in/out of vehicles, compact, reliable, quality built, practical accuracy...it's got it all in spades.
After this a lever in 357 or 3030 becomes the next to deliver these goods.
Then a purpose built bolt gun adopting the same characteristics.
 
Nothing wrong with me. I never said you could get a used SL8 for a grand, that was someone else implying something. I believe I said " If you're patient, look for a used HK SL8." Never said "for a grand"


the fack is wrong with people today??

We read the op's post and he specifically mentioned -$1000 we were assuming you were actually giving advice on what he asked.
so yeah what the fack is wrong with people
 
Mini14 in Sparta stock becomes one heavy HEAVY gun for not being a bench gun. I had one setup like that, took it out a few times and between the stupid rocking mag locking, weight, and ####ty accuracy promptly sold it.


I know you mentioned no Ruger but throw the mini14 in a sparta and you have a pretty decent black rifle for around a grand and a bit and they hold there value as well as being reliable??
this is a mini30 but same thing as far as looks
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ha the xcr hater most of them never use one and for the few that had one didnt shot it enough , always having the main reason the poor accuracy maybe it just you guys not the rifle it more easy to blame an inanimate object than yourself ....
 
I could say the same thing for tavor and ACR but hey that's just my opinion.

Except you would be wrong LOL

The tavor has been in service with the IDF for over 14 years. As well as in:

Angola
Azerbaijan
Brazil
Cameroon
Chad
Chile
Colombia
Ethiopia
Georgia
Guatemala
Honduras
India
Macedonia
Mexico
Nepal
Nigeria
Peru
Philippines
Portugal
Thailand
Turkey
Ukraine
Vietnam
USA

And the ACR is in service in Poland

Shawn
 
ha the xcr hater most of them never use one and for the few that had one didnt shot it enough , always having the main reason the poor accuracy maybe it just you guys not the rifle it more easy to blame an inanimate object than yourself ....

I dont hate on the XCR, I owned the latest revision heymod light barrel 5.56 model and I liked it but after getting an ACR and already having a Tavor I found the XCR my least favorite by far for numerous reasons, and the price being as close to what it was to the Tavor and ACR I honestly wouldn't promote it to anyone.

Also like many others have mentioned the Tavor has seen heaps of service and is the next most prooven black rifle platform to the AR in Canada.

The XCR is good in theory but poor on execution. The only thing truely good to say about the XCR is it has the leg up on service in Canada because it goes through Wolverine and not North Sylva or Gravel.
 
It's the new RDB ( Rifle Downward ejection Bullpup). In .223. The mag release is that bar in front of the magwell. The empties eject right behind the magwell, downwards!
Very pretty gun IMO and actually feels like a well made gun, unlike the RFB which felt plasticky to me!

so a tavor style mag release?

im going to put my tavor on a diet soon, im not too happy with my elcan
 
Buy a CZ958 in .223 when it comes out! ............(*presuming* it will be offered in .223, be classified by the RCMP as NR ...AND will be priced around $1000)
 
Buy a CZ958 in .223 when it comes out! ............(*presuming* it will be offered in .223, be classified by the RCMP as NR ...AND will be priced around $1000)

I'm sure that rifle is going to have growing pains when it first comes out like most new guns do I'd rather wait till its ironed out before I'd drop my hard earned canadian pesos on it.
 
so a tavor style mag release?

im going to put my tavor on a diet soon, im not too happy with my elcan

No, Tavor is a lever. The RDB has a bar and toggle system attached to the mag well. Made of metal. Very stiff. If you do the Tavor heel bump mag change, you will end up with blood! The KelTec shooting team do the heel bump but they line the mag release with a thick Velcro material!
 
No, Tavor is a lever. The RDB has a bar and toggle system attached to the mag well. Made of metal. Very stiff. If you do the Tavor heel bump mag change, you will end up with blood! The KelTec shooting team do the heel bump but they line the mag release with a thick Velcro material!


Main problem with the RDB is never knowing how long till it's potentially approved. At that point it'll be availability.
 
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