TAVOR vs Bushmaster ACR

onetwentyish said:
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I agree with mike for the most part, but I honestly prefer the ACR the more I shoot it. Just bought the ACR some unicorn parts last night, can't wait to show em off!

The ACR handles fine even being the polar oposite for weight distribution of the Tavor. While the ACR is slower in snap shooting, the forward weight of the ACR steadies your aim for distance shooting while standing or kneeling with wind pushing your sights around.

If you are careful about your choices of handgaurds and barrels for NR length. Puting any accessories forward of the magwell will damage your chances of being happy with the weight balance. Only things forward of the magwell on mine are the ACR MOE polymer handgaurd, Surefire Scout 600u on a Magpul MOE scout light mount, Surefire SR-07 rail switch, and a Troy folding battle sight. This makes a very manageable weight.
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Did you buy that limited run of ACR handguard from acrforum or something?

I would've jump on that if I had an ACR. Frik'in ###y
 
TV-PressPass said:
Which is why it has such a wealth of aftermarket adoption and support from it's manufacturer :rolleyes:

*Edit. Ah crap. I bumped a half-turned zombie thread. Now I'm infected*
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Play with the platform for a few weeks and you will quickly appreciate the potential. If bushmaster hadn't effed the dog so hard it really would have went far in my opinion. Let me know when you want to try one for awhile!

I think another factor is that stateside the ACR and AR share the same consumer marketplace and the Tavor fits into another with the AUG and K&M M17s.
 
Either Herron Arms can make a new barrel with your old parts or you can order a restricted 18" or 16.5" barrel from IWI US through IRUNGUNS.

About the same as the ACR, except in the last bit Dlask and now AEI have come online with making NR length barrels now in addition to Herron Arms.
 
onetwentyish said:
Play with the platform for a few weeks and you will quickly appreciate the potential. If bushmaster hadn't effed the dog so hard it really would have went far in my opinion. Let me know when you want to try one for awhile!

I think another factor is that stateside the ACR and AR share the same consumer marketplace and the Tavor fits into another with the AUG and K&M M17s.
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Stateside, I barely saw any ACRs although the 16" barrel looks way better. Down there, the predominant rifle is the AR by a huge margin. Next up is the SCAR. AUGs and Tavors are boutique guns down there.
 
Still alive said:
Stateside, I barely saw any ACRs although the 16" barrel looks way better. Down there, the predominant rifle is the AR by a huge margin. Next up is the SCAR. AUGs and Tavors are boutique guns down there.
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Yeah, basically anything that cant do what an AR can do for an AR price will get shuffled into an niche "collector" type market down there because the AR is such a refined well rounded platform at such an excellent price point.

Here the AR is out of reach or unwanted by many based on its status alone, so we are forced to look at niche rifles. In the black rifle market the ACR is the best niche firearm that gives you everything that you should expect from a platform meant to replace the AR, with out losing angthing major that the AR has to offer!

The biggest reason the ACR was out of reach in Canada by most until this last year is the base models retailed for $2800+tax, then the only aftermarket NR conversion availabe was a Herron Arms comin in at around $1000, putting the NR ACR at a fairly hard to attain $4000 price. Now that IRUNGUNS and AEI brought in a ton of well priced ones this year, tons more people have them, and notice many of them are Tavor owners.

I find the 2 complement each other well and with proper planning your NR ACR wont be as nose heavy as some say.

SCAR's are very popular in the US, I believe mainly 7.62 nato 17s, as I see few 5.56 16s.
 
onetwentyish said:
Yeah, basically anything that cant do what an AR can do for an AR price will get shuffled into an niche "collector" type market down there because the AR is such a refined well rounded platform at such an excellent price point.

Here the AR is out of reach or unwanted by many based on its status alone, so we are forced to look at niche rifles. In the black rifle market the ACR is the best niche firearm that gives you everything that you should expect from a platform meant to replace the AR, with out losing angthing major that the AR has to offer!

The biggest reason the ACR was out of reach in Canada by most until this last year is the base models retailed for $2800+tax, then the only aftermarket NR conversion availabe was a Herron Arms comin in at around $1000, putting the NR ACR at a fairly hard to attain $4000 price. Now that IRUNGUNS and AEI brought in a ton of well priced ones this year, tons more people have them, and notice many of them are Tavor owners.

I find the 2 complement each other well and with proper planning your NR ACR wont be as nose heavy as some say.

SCAR's are very popular in the US, I believe mainly 7.62 nato 17s, as I see few 5.56 16s.
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I've shot both the 16 and 17. In all honesty, I would still get an AR. I find the SCAR and ACR very chunky! I'm surprised how much plastic comes with the modern rifles. Same with the Beretta ARX!
 
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The ARX is very chunky to look at, but I have never held one. I have had the opportunity to fondle Derek of RDSC's Scar 17 and 16, the 16 is actually up for rent right now.

Both Scar's don't really strike my fancy, although I would have a 17 if they were NR like the MH.

My ACR is currently sporting a Clandestine Components (mock Remington Defense) handgaurd, which is a machined aluminum design that is no longer produced, is not an ideal design or build material for Canada (uses MOE rails and aluminum is cold in the winter), I think I will be getting a Nexus Tactical CL-1 in the future so I can save weight and I can use the Mlok and the Carbon Fiber Polymer blend is pretty temperature neutral/ not cold to the touch.
 
Gundoggy said:
Overall the tavor is less accurate. I had one of the first ones in Canada almost 10 years ago and sold it after one range session as I was disappointed with the accuracy....In my opinion, the only advantage either of these have over an AR is the NR status. They also cost lots of $$$$$
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Which is my chief criticism of the Tavor (well, besides the fact that I dislike bullpup rifles in general). You're paying a lot of money for a rifle that out of the box is less accurate than a lot of commodity AR-15s. Granted, if you're a shooter that's going for accuracy, the Tavor isn't going to be on your list of rifles to buy but as a plinker it's a really expensive toy. You can buy other semi-automatic rifles that equal or surpass the Tavor for a fraction of the price. None of them bullpups (if that's your thing), mind you, but if you just want to shoot paper or metal more than adequate and with similar or better accuracy.

All that said, if the Tavor spins your wheels, it's worth the money I suppose. If it were my choice I'd probably spend the money on an ACR.
 
AR's are restricted range toys, they don't appeal to me what so ever. What's the point of owning guns that are controlled by our overlords and can only be used at the range.

My ACR and Tavor cost me about the same. They are far from expensive if you take your time to find deals
 
I kinda wish the AR pushers would stop and realize you're comparing apples to oranges. If AR's were not restricted I'd have a couple of them. The fact is they're not, and that's a huge issue to some of us. Even with a great range within 15 minutes of my house I prefer NR.

I just had a Tavor, kept it a week. Well built, reliable (for the 40 rounds I should through it ;) ), and very slick looking, but it's not for everyone. The gas in the face is a very big deal for me, and it just didn't feel right. I sold it and bought an XCR-L keymod. Would have been interested an ACR if one was available, but that'll have to wait.

So, I'll throw that option in as well, what about an XCR? From reports the newer models solved the early issues, so it's an option at least.
 
J_Scott said:
I kinda wish the AR pushers would stop and realize you're comparing apples to oranges. If AR's were not restricted I'd have a couple of them. The fact is they're not, and that's a huge issue to some of us. Even with a great range within 15 minutes of my house I prefer NR.

I just had a Tavor, kept it a week. Well built, reliable (for the 40 rounds I should through it ;) ), and very slick looking, but it's not for everyone. The gas in the face is a very big deal for me, and it just didn't feel right. I sold it and bought an XCR-L keymod. Would have been interested an ACR if one was available, but that'll have to wait.

So, I'll throw that option in as well, what about an XCR? From reports the newer models solved the early issues, so it's an option at least.
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A GHW FLEx or Manticore gasket ejection port cover eliminate gases around the face, or alternatively you can remove the cover all together and it will disperse the gases faster vs with the OEM port cover there is jets of hot gases escaping around the edges.

The XCR is a no wheres the quality of the ACR for being relatively the same platform, the difference between them has been price and availability in NR status from the get go.
 
There were more reasons why I didn't like the Tavor, ergonomics, bolt release, mag changes... all things that I'm sure could be learned, but it just didn't fit.

As for the XCR vs ACR, I can't make any claims until I've had experience with the rifle myself, but the only place to put the ACR much higher than the XCR I've seen has been this site. I've seen a couple reviews where the XCR was the preferred firearm when lined up side by side. It seems it's more divided out there than the "ACR is WAY better" on CGN. ;)

I'd love to try them side by side and make an educated comparison.
 
Tavor for reliability but maybe not for moa accuracy but it is a battle rifle and reliability is everything to me--stayed away from acr as bushmaster did not have a good history for company support---but if gunsmithed then i hear it runs fine--both upper end rifles with excellent potential and performance in different areas.As for Tavor face--there a 2 companies that eliminate the issue with gas blow-by with ejection port coverage-non-issue.
 
^Xcr has been around much longer so obviously more owners/followers/fanboys unwilling to spend money to switch/adopt a new platform.

I had the Xcr and it was problematic, I have friends who still have them as well, all who have tried the ACR admit it is more accurate and prefer it over their Xcr. However when no àcr is around and new shooters talk to them about their Xcr it is all. Of a sudden the best ever.

I see this happen a lot with many different rifles and is really unfair to those starting out. I do my best to always tell people the negative I have experienced along with the positives. I spent too much over the years buying what someone else said was awesome only to have issues and then be told it is normal by the person who recommended it in the first place
 
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