Scope bit twice today:) what scope has best eye relief?

Brianma65 said:
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This is as far back as I can mount this. I still have to lean about one inch to get a full eye box . If I don't move my head one inch forward and keep a perfect cheek weld , I get a small view through the scope( it closes up?). So even if I could move my scope back 1 inch further , closer to my eye to get the perfect combination of cheek weld and eye box view, it would be too close , thereby causing scope bite. For me.
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This is the wrong mount for that set up. It's too high causing you to reach up and forward to see the whole picture therefore your head is not solidly anchored. Change it to the low to medium rings and I think that will solve your problem.
 
N0M4D said:
Yes it is... the point is not to extend your arm, to do so effortlessly, and feel comfortable when dooing so.
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And how does that help with scope setup?.... I can "feel comfortable" with my arm extended two inches farther on any rifle.... And two inches can make all of the difference when talking eye relief..... So being comfortable doesn't mean the lop of the rifle is "right for me" if I can't look through the scope properly......
 
Superbrad said:
And how does that help with scope setup?.... I can "feel comfortable" with my arm extended two inches farther on any rifle.... And two inches can make all of the difference when talking eye relief..... So being comfortable doesn't mean the lop of the rifle is "right for me" if I can't look through the scope properly......
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He asked for length of pull, that's how it's done. As for the scope issue, it sounds like poor focus and positioning, or improper recoil managment... no offence, and if I'm wrong I deeply apologies. But see the next quote reply.

Brianma65 said:
Using that method I can fit my finger on the front of the trigger guard.
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That means you need more butpad/stock, however it still sounds like you need a better mounting solution for your optic, because I don't think your technique is wrong. Try medium rings, and a scope with a relief focus.
 
N0M4D said:
He asked for length of pull, that's how it's done. As for the scope issue, it sounds like poor focus and positioning, or improper recoil managment... no offence, and if I'm wrong I deeply apologies. But see the next quote reply.



That ears you need more butpad, however it still sounds like you need a better mounting solution for your optic, because I don't think your technique is wrong. Try medium rings, and a scope with a relief focus.
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Sunray, is that you?..... He is already leaning forward to see through the scope and you want to add more lop?.......

What you describe is not how to measure lop....... Perhaps you should take the time to watch the video I posted..... It's from a reputable stock manufacturer..... Next time you go to the range, do some observation.... People feel "comfortable" doing all kinds of stupid things that make for bad groups...... Level of comfort is not how lop is measured......
 
I just did this and according this video my stock which has a 14 inch LOP , but should be 12 3/4. This would hen allow me to move my scope ahead 1 inch. That seems about right. Now I need a new stock. Feels so much better when I just have to tilt my head instead of stretching forward.
 
That's what I learnt in gunsmith school, that's what I practiced, snd applied, and have had zero complaints. I'm not saying it's the only way, because there are many, if you don't agree, then that's fine. If your incapable of achieving results with what I suggested, then by all means try others! Do you ware glasses, or have vission problems? If not it is mounting solution issue I would say. If you do have vission problems, do you shoot with your glasses on or off?
 
N0M4D said:
He asked for length of pull, that's how it's done. As for the scope issue, it sounds like poor focus and positioning, or improper recoil managment... no offence, and if I'm wrong I deeply apologies. But see the next quote reply.



That means you need more butpad/stock, however it still sounds like you need a better mounting solution for your optic, because I don't think your technique is wrong. Try medium rings, and a scope with a relief focus.
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By adding more but pad I'd need about a 5 or 6 inch eye relief.
 
Superbrad said:
That is not how you measure lop..... Anyone can make that happen by extending their arm.... Here is how to fit for lop....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qOgIPbzKHWI
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SuperBrad, that Video works, I need to remove an 1 1/4 from my stock, and that will allow me way better head control( no stretching). And allow me to move my scope ahead 1 inch. Oh and bad lop, scope bite, or nice toque , nothing gets in the way of my groups:)
 
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N0M4D said:
That's what I learnt in gunsmith school, that's what I practiced, snd applied, and have had zero complaints. I'm not saying it's the only way, because there are many, if you don't agree, then that's fine. If your incapable of achieving results with what I suggested, then by all means try others! Do you ware glasses, or have vission problems? If not it is mounting solution issue I would say. If you do have vission problems, do you shoot with your glasses on or off?
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No glasses...... Did you get your gunsmith degree from Granton institute of technology?..... Gunsmithing is all about inches, no scratch that, millimetres........ No gunsmith will reccomend "comfort" as a scientific measurement......

I don't mean to attack or offend you but your advice could cost Brian a lot of money and maybe half of one of his eyebrows........
 
Brianma65 said:
SuperBrad, that Visio works, I need to remove an 1 1/4 from my stock, and that will allow me way better head control( no stretching). And allow me to move my scope ahead 1 inch. Oh and bad lop, scope bite, or nice toque , nothing gets in the way of my groups:)
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Perfect..... I want to see some groups and a nice scope mount, and maybe a new tuque to celebrate!
 
blwebster said:
To begin with, when you consider a scope eliminate all those like Swarovski and Zeiss which have too little eye relief in general. Some of the Bushnells are in the same pot too. I know some people figure 3 to 3.5 inches of eye relief is fine for them, but for less experienced shooters or those who have not had the benefit of having been shown proper technique it is an issue and I have seen too many people get kissed hard. I prefer 4 inches of eye relief and yet used to shoot rifles on the job that were not my own that had poor eye relief and this made the kind of shooting were were doing a lot more difficult.

Then look to a decent scope that is known to track well and make sure you know how to mount it for optimal eye relief or have someone fit it for you.

Next, learn shooting technique that will minimize the possibility of getting kissed by your new scope.
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3-1/2" is plenty if you know how to mount a scope and how to position yourself properly. If you don't know how to mount a scope or how to hold a rifle, then the issue isn't the eye relief. Myself and many other people shoot unbraked rifles in chamberings such as the RUM cartridges, with no issues using scopes with 3-1/2" of eye relief.
 
Superbrad said:
No glasses...... Did you get your gunsmith degree from Granton institute of technology?..... Gunsmithing is all about inches, no scratch that, millimetres........ No gunsmith will reccomend "comfort" as a scientific measurement......

I don't mean to attack or offend you but your advice could cost Brian a lot of money and maybe half of one of his eyebrows........
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Your quite the negative one aren't you? I'll admit, yes I'm young in my career, and I harbor no delusion I know one tenth of what others on here do, but I'm only suggestion and inquiring, not telling him what to do. I have seen a problem similar to this one once, so I'm just trying to help, he can tell me to jump off a bridge should he chose to, and I'm cool with that. I was going to suggest he talk to people in the smiting section anyway, and I still think the mounting could be lower.

Also gunsmithing is about ten thousands of an inch, not millimeters...
 
N0M4D said:
Your quite the negative one aren't you? I'll admit, yes I'm young in my career, and I harbor no delusion I know one tenth of what others on here do, but I'm only suggestion and inquiring, not telling him what to do. I have seen a problem similar to this one once, so I'm just trying to help, he can tell me to jump off a bridge should he chose to, and I'm cool with that. I was going to suggest he talk to people in the smiting section anyway, and I still think the mounting could be lower.

Also gunsmithing is about ten thousands of an inch, not millimeters...
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Actually, I am about being positive....... Being positive means helping a fellow shooter get his set up right, not further frustrating them, or giving the opposite of the advice they actually need..... Ie, telling them to add to their lop when they are already leaning forward....... And mounting their scope ridiculously far back trying to compensate.....

And you are correct in your analysis of measurements for smithing..... So not sure where "comfort" comes in to play....
 
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