Why such a cult following for Colt Canada / Diemaco ?

dfritter1 said:
They bought unprofiled but chambered/rifled barrels; KAC just cut their profile onto the barrel.

In any case, I'm surprised you gave as much experience certificate as you do, but think Colt USA is only 10 percent better. A rack grade M4 leaves Hartford if it'll meet a 4 MOA standard. My CC guns will all shoot sub-MOA.
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No I wrote a CC rifle is superior. I give up on you.
 
Got Juice? said:
Glad somebody started this thread :) I took my IUR out shooting today, and had a great time with it. I appreciate the quality of this platform every time I take it out.

Are there better AR's out there for the money? Maybe. Just because I haven't shot one doesn't mean it does not exist.

If you want REAL value for the $$$ buy a Norinco IMHO... does everything the IUR can do. But it falls down in the fit, and finish, and accuracy. At the end of the day, I am still very much in love with my IUR.


And for the record, I was one of those folks who would ''never ever'' own an AR until Colt Canada brought these guns out. So FWIW, I believe Colt Canada did a service to Canadians gun owners... I know 4 others who would never own an AR that bought these :)
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I bought my ar-15 (first one too) to piss off liberals, it just so happens to also be CANADIAN and military over run, so it was really a no brainer I wanted that military quality hardware.
 
I've got a number of AR-15s. My fav and first is a Bushmaster 16 heavy barrel w. C79. I didn't buy an SA20 when they came out as I wasn't willing to spend the money. I've got buddies with SA20s who love them. Most of them bought them to have something made in Canada and as close to a C7 as a Canadian can own. When the IUR "blemished" uppers were on sale I bought one. It's plain ###y. I finally put it together with a Spikes BCG and NEA lower a few months ago and I'm liking it. It's a fun little rifle, good looking, handles well and it's very accurate. I'm looking forward to using it in it's first match this weekend :) One day when I find a CC lower/BCG for a decent price I may buy one and complete the set.
 
Every single firearm I've bought over the past 5 years is now worth more then I paid for them if sold on the EE today.

The cost of my COLT MRR 11.6" AR today is just that. Todays price. 5 years from now I'll be able to sell it for more then I paid.

Not that I'll ever sell it. I bought mine to be a lifetime gun. Hopefully some day way down the line, my son will inherit my guns, and his friends will be envious that his old man left him a COLT Canada MRR.

Who cares about the cost after it's paid for.....
 
Dsiwy said:
Soooo I just happen to have an IUR at work and C8 upper.

Here is the difference in weight;

Stripped Carbine IUR with forward assist and ejection port cover =20.75 Oz

Stripped upper with forward assist and ejection port cover + Surefire hand guards =16.20 Oz

The IUR is only 4.55 Oz heavier, not a huge difference IMO.
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That doesn't sound like a huge difference but plenty would argue that the C8 FTHB is heavier than necessary as well.
 
dfritter1 said:
They bought unprofiled but chambered/rifled barrels; KAC just cut their profile onto the barrel.

In any case, I'm surprised you gave as much experience certificate as you do, but think Colt Canada is only 10 percent better. A rack grade M4 leaves Hartford if it'll meet a 4 MOA standard. My CC guns will all shoot sub-MOA.
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A rack grade CAF issue C7/C8 only has to meet 4 MOA with IVI ammo as well. Can they do better with decent ammo? Yes, but the Colt will too. I'm not trying to say one is better than the other but the spec they have to meet is the same.

I'm not talking about MRRs.
 
Leg said:
A rack grade CAF issue C7/C8 only has to meet 4 MOA with IVI ammo as well.
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Do you have a source for that? I have always been under the assumption that the service rifles/carbines had to be 1.5-2 MOA accurate from the factory. Maybe that's just what can be achieved on a regular basis so it becomes an expectation, but not part of the actual .gov contract?
 
I know for certain that for the USA contract all m4s are to be 4moa or under.
It is a fair assumption that the CAF contract would be the same no?
 
Leg said:
That doesn't sound like a huge difference but plenty would argue that the C8 FTHB is heavier than necessary as well.
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I weighed it with no barrel, just upper and hand guard. The undue weight in both the IUR and FTHB/SFW is mainly the barrel and large gas block on the IUR.
 
panzerblaster said:
That doesn't pass the smell test and I have to side with Dsiwy on this one.
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Dsiwy said:
I just looked up C7A2 on CGCS the price is $1850 for just the rifle and it was last updated on 18th Aug 2003.

NSN 1005-20-000-9638
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Ha thanks for the update. It means I saw the price without the sight.

Makes sense then.

Like I said. I just swa that quickly on a screen. I dont have access to this on a daily basis.

Cheers
 
Dsiwy said:
I weighed it with no barrel, just upper and hand guard. The undue weight in both the IUR and FTHB/SFW is mainly the barrel and large gas block on the IUR.
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Interesting, good to know. Did you include the barrel nuts?
 
Miraclejoe said:
Do you have a source for that? I have always been under the assumption that the service rifles/carbines had to be 1.5-2 MOA accurate from the factory. Maybe that's just what can be achieved on a regular basis so it becomes an expectation, but not part of the actual .gov contract?
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That's right from the PAM.

Of course they routinely group better, but so does a Colt M4 or 6920.
 
Leg said:
Interesting, good to know. Did you include the barrel nuts?
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No barrel nuts were include in the weigh in, but they're pretty much the same weight. The IUR barrel nut is thicker but you don't need the slip ring, spring, spring clip and front nose cap.

Colt Canada HB are unnecessarily thick for normal rate of fire IMO.
 
GuiltySpark said:
How is an IUR out dated and why are 20" ARs a dead concept?
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The IUR has those poorly placed PERMANENT rails and is grossly overweight for what it is. A monolithic upper is great until you need to change a barrel or gas block. Pic rails are old news and MLOK is the future, lighter and simpler.

A 20" rifle is about 4" too long. A 16" barrel puts out some 94% the velocity a 20" barrel does and the classic M4 with it's 14.5" barrel still generates 90% of what a 20" does. I think it was KAC that determined the ideal length for a precision AR is no longer than 18 inches.

Dsiwy said:
I just looked up C7A2 on CGCS the price is $1850 for just the rifle and it was last updated on 18th Aug 2003.

NSN 1005-20-000-9638
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Do you think there isn't a large profit margin built into that price? I happen to have it on good authority that Korth wa paying somewhere in the $1100 region for the SA20/SA15 when they first came out. That's a healthy margin if you ask me!

Ar180shooter said:
If CC's are so overpriced, why do a good number of police, special forces and military use them? Why don't we see them using DD's and BCM's, etc? Is it just because they don't bid on contracts? If so, why is this? Wouldn't these shops want in on lucrative military contracts?
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Colt Canada being a subsidiary of Colt USA/ Colt Defense is already a gov contractor and focuses on gov sales. Buying guns in Canadian dollars for the British is a no brainer as the British Pound is nearly double the value of a Canadian Dollar. Colt also has a long record and is a well known company. Buying with tax payers dollars makes the cost a non issue, gov cheques don't bounce. Trying to import DD or BCM rifles for a small department is a paperwork nightmare compared to dealing with CC a local company, especially when warranty is concerned. There's also the cult following that influences a departments decisions. Contrary to what many believe the vast majority of LEO's are not gun people.

I did some poking around here and it wasn't so long ago that there was some serious whining and complaining over the sudden price drop in CC rifles. If there so valuable why were people complaining about the price drop and saying they got ripped off. I thought CC rifles were worth the cost??

dfritter1 said:
You can't expect Colt USA pricing from Colt Canada; besides one owning the other they're entirely different companies. You may as well expect FN prices from Colt Canada or HK prices from Daniel Defense.

Also, for everyone saying "there's no import duty, it shouldn't cost as much as imported options," have you seen Ontario's power prices? Have you considered where the aluminium and steel Colt Canada uses comes from? What about labour costs in Ontario versus a foreign country with less taxes? What about the overhead costs associated with being a strategic installation in Canada? The costs of maintaining their NATO AQAP certification? This is not a cheap country to run a business nor employ people in, and it's even harder on gun companies.
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The labour costs I'm sure were paid for by our tax dollars and those of Britain.

mikethebike said:
one sells hundreds of thousands of rifles at wallmart
the other sells a handful to a very small niche market
volume goes a long way in minimizing manufacturing costs
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I highly doubt you could find a DD rifle at Walmart and I doubt they make 100's of thousands of rifles.

mikethebike said:
listen guys unless youre in the rcmp or in the caf we're all using our ARs to do the same thing.
So if I have money and I want to be a douche bag and own a colt canada and take pictures so be it you are still doing the same thing with your AR as me, which is having fun.

Same thing with douche bag rich dudes and their girlfriends that look like ####stars, hey dont lie, we all wish we were that dude.

So wish away, while I caress my colt canadas and drink my johnny walker blue.

Wish away bros.
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Speaking for myself here but I don't post pics of my guns and I would save the money from the Johnny Walker and buy ammo. You caress your CC, I will be shooting my rifles. ;)

CobraGT said:
Pretty simple - good quality, reliable rifles at a similar price point to other top-tier rifles. Especially when you can get them on the EE for reasonable prices. Some of the MSRPs are a bit over the top though... like the current MRRs...
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Agreed
 
Speaking of expensive...

Are the plastic rear back up sight that rare for being sold 150$ on EE ?!?!

They are worth like 20$ and given away by CQs lol
 
Got Juice? said:
Sad but True. Buy once, cry once.

After researching AR type rifles, I opted to spend a little more with CC/Diemaco in order to get the best possible AR experience. No Regrets.
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Was at a family gathering not long after buying it and a nephew asked about it, and I told him it was made near where he lived. He exclaimed he knew the place and had friends who worked there.
Totally un Canadian attitude if you ask me.
 
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