Wow, that's a pretty broad statement. Would you care to share your source for this "fact jack"???
Also what type of holster are you using for your shotgun?
USPSA shooter shooting IPSC in Canada.. Black badge needed?
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Wow, that's a pretty broad statement. Would you care to share your source for this "fact jack"???
Also what type of holster are you using for your shotgun?
The key part there "USPSA member from USA". I still haven't seen anything if OP is from USA or not, yet he admitted he is Canadian.
Anyhow, Sean already responded earlier on the issue in all details.
I doubt it. The 2 day BB course is pretty in depth, Ive seen many a seasoned shooter fail.
Judging by this "final" exam for BB in vancouver, I'd have no problems doing that. As I shoot minimum 2 matches a month that involves drawing from a holster and moving.
To top it off, doesnt look like IPSC Canada enforces safety equipment rules.... Notice no safety glasses on shooter, they won't let you spectate let alone shoot with out eyes and ears at USPSA matches.
How seasoned?
I shot idpa and 3 gun for a couple years and flew through the bb....I got almost nothing out of it that I didn't already know (except for the 1/2 on the rules which had nothing to do with practical safety)
Wow
That is not indicative of the BB course I have taken, and others I have witnessed. Safety glasses forgotten may be an oops, they are mandatory for shooters and spectators. The gun handling/holstering while not at a safety area is a big NO!
And, this was not PCDHFC as referred to in the video.
In my understanding, you did get an answer from local ipsc folks who are in charge of ipsc qualification.
That is why I mentioned in my earlier post that it should be the Section Coordinator that would make the call. Someone may have been shooting for years, but they still must know the rules of IPSC. Maybe they do.....
Lol, my BB # starts with ON
. I just moved to SK 3 years ago. The safety standards are the same!Any BB I have taken, helped teach or taught myself, that shooter would have DQ'd before ever getting to shoot a single round, having loaded mags on the safe table is a DQ and having the gun out of the holster anywhere but the safe table is a DQ, and yes, eye and ear protection is mandatory for everyone on the range.
A 2 day BB course should consist of aprox 1-2 hr of classroom each day going thru the 82 page training manual and current rule book finishing with a review of a 50 question test that was to be completed before even arriving at the course.
There is also 5-6 hr of practical on the the range each day which requires successfully completing a qualification check list that usually eats up 400-500 rounds, some people take more, some take some less. The check list consists of 24 different timed and un-timed exercises from different moving and static positions at distances from 7 to 25 meters.
BTW just thought I should add that I took this course in 1991 when I first started shooting IPSC and after about a 10 year absence I had to take it again in 2013 to start competing again and other than some changes in times, distances and the targets used, it was basically the same course both times. Also courses have at least 4 to a max of 10 students with usually 3 to 6 instructors / range officers depending on the size of the class.
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the safety area for that range is in the sea-can directly behind the range hut. No idea what this range session actually was, but it should in no way be used to represent what goes on during a BB training course.
This is definitely not PCDHFC as the video says. If any RO saw this they would be shutting that down right away and the shooters quickly booted. The person who posted this is mistaken and foolish for showing their unsafe shooting.
Since the person who posted the video could not even get the name of the range they were in correct, I don't think we can accept that they are taking the Black Badge course at all. This certainly does not conform to what I have witnessed.
Since the person who posted the video could not even get the name of the range they were in correct, I don't think we can accept that they are taking the Black Badge course at all. This certainly does not conform to what I have witnessed.
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You could be a genius, but how do others know that? Regardless, you have admitted that you did got something from the course, then it is rather silly to disregard it as useless to you. At very least you've proved that you can be safe at the range. But it is not the same for everyone. I've seen a few people who could not pass the BB course or have to take 2nd run for it in order to complete. To me that is a good indication that this training program is actually working and it does help to keep our sport safe.
My source is Onagoth and he clearly qualifies his knowledge as "first hand" which is also my experience. Unlike abb1 who doesn't qualify his "fact".
And it's not a holster it's a scabbard. Jeez!
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You missed the most important thing you got out of the "course".
You got certified.
You proved to the rest of us that you're safe on our ranges and we don't have to worry about you shooting yourself or one of us when you're on the range with us.
Your previous extensive experience made it easy for you to certify.
Congratulations! Many / Most others take more time and effort to certify; but we're not about to make a separate, special certification for advanced shooters that are as good as you.
The target market is just too small & the payoff not worth it.
But hey - if someone doesn't like taking the BB to shoot IPSC - We've got a simple solution - don't shoot IPSC...we don't mind and very likely won't miss you at our hundreds of sold-out matches and ever-growing membership ranks.
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Yah....except the idea that people need to prove themselves safe is almost complete bull#### for several reasons.
1). International shooters aren't required to have the same level of 'proof'....and yet they're still allowed to shoot IPSC here in canada
2). A number of shooters have passed the BB that have no business competing....I've seen this first hand
3). Ive seen shooters who have passed the BB sufficiently who still managed to sweep the entire range...so what competency does this course actually demonstrate....very little I think.
Its all well and good to say if you don't like the bb, then don't shoot IPSC....but as far as decent justifications go, that one is piss poor. That's basically like saying we don't care what you think, these are the requirements whether or not they make sense. And some people wonder why there is a lot of dissatisfaction with IPSC.
Furthermore. This idea that shooters should be required to prove themselves safe seems to always be promoted by people who themselves shoot matches in regions where holster courses aren't required, so its quite the contradiction to say the bb ensures you're safe on a range in Canada when you don't seem to care when you're on an international range
The comment about it not being worth it to have a separate safety certification for experienced shooters makes no sense....that kind of thing could be accomplished very easily. It was said above, it's all about the money. Like everything in IPSC.
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It wasn't a brag Wendell....anyone with 1/2 a brain could see that. I never proclaimed to be a legend nor am I a particularly great shooter. The BB course is intended for novice/new shooters. Anyone with a couple good shooting seasons under their belt with find that course overly remedial.
