4 moose shot

FallenShadow80 said:
Wow I love the racism in this forum. Shows the true colors of Canadians. Not all the apologetic sweet polite people that the media makes them out to be. Classing all first nations as the same because of the few who commit these atrocities. So does that mean all the stereotypes about white people are true also. Every First Nation hunter I know, including myself follow the same hunting seasons at non-natives and only take what we need. At least the racism that we see every single day of our lives from white people is finally showing it's face in public. But hey, I'm all up for giving up our treaty rights, supplying that the land our tribe owned is returned to our people. I'm from Hobbema, AB now know as Maskwacis which is it's rightful name. We owned all the land from Pigeon Lake, to Gull Lake, to Buffalo Lake over to Bittern Lake. So that means, Wetaskiwin, Ponoka, Bashaw, Lacombe and many others are on land that was taken from us as part of our treaty. So by all means. Kill the treaties. Make us all equal. I actually welcome it.
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I know many natives...... I grew up right beside the Oka reserve in Quebec and now live a hop skip and a jump from akwasasne...... I know all to well that there are responsible native hunters, in fact I host two annually at my deer camp......

But I will ask you, where are all the responsible native hunters that are stepping up and saying that these acts are wrong? Where are the so called stewards of the land stepping up as natives and condemning the acts committed by the bad apples? It's very easy to cry racism, but if all the other side sees is people committing reckless harvests with no repercussion and nobody coming forward to condemn them, then can you really blame them for generalizing?
 
the spank said:
Thank you both for the kind words. And I should add I truly believe these are not rights but priviledges.
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I do find it sadly amusing, that the SCofC treats these as treaty "rights" for aboriginal peoples: yet for us "white" folks even owning our own property is merely a privilege. Different rules solely based on racial origins........can you spell "R A C I S M"? Where are the SJW's when there is a real issue?

PS. You have my respect, Spank!
 
FallenShadow80 said:
Wow I love the racism in this forum. Shows the true colors of Canadians. Not all the apologetic sweet polite people that the media makes them out to be. Classing all first nations as the same because of the few who commit these atrocities. So does that mean all the stereotypes about white people are true also. Every First Nation hunter I know, including myself follow the same hunting seasons at non-natives and only take what we need. At least the racism that we see every single day of our lives from white people is finally showing it's face in public. But hey, I'm all up for giving up our treaty rights, supplying that the land our tribe owned is returned to our people. I'm from Hobbema, AB now know as Maskwacis which is it's rightful name. We owned all the land from Pigeon Lake, to Gull Lake, to Buffalo Lake over to Bittern Lake. So that means, Wetaskiwin, Ponoka, Bashaw, Lacombe and many others are on land that was taken from us as part of our treaty. So by all means. Kill the treaties. Make us all equal. I actually welcome it.
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Much like other places all over the world, there was a conflict, one side lost, while the other side won. Hard to accept, but fact. York in England was signed over to Vikings. There was a conflict, and York was taken back. I don't see Norway making an application to have it England give it back?
Equality, is just that. It means everyone gets treated the same. Killing the treaties and making everyone equal, but then getting into a squabble about "traditional" lands simply won't work, as it isn't representative of equality.
Pretty hard to move ahead, when always looking backwards.

R.
 
the spank said:
And I can tell you as someone who has those rights I find this kind of thing absolutely disgusting! There is no room for this kind of harvest in today's world and given our social system and handouts there is very little need for subsistence hunting except in dire circumstances. I have never exercised my rights to harvest as I have always worked, paid taxes and bought licenses to hunt within the framework of todays management system. In my opinion it is an emergency backup system should I find myself penniless and unable to buy food and even then we have backup social systems in place so I cannot see ever requiring my harvest rights. I also do not trespass or tread where I am not allowed to hunt. And as a matter of fact I rarely even admit to having harvest rights as I do not want to be associated with these kinds of people who in my opinion are nothing more than disgusting slob poachers!!
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Agreed, Spank, and good on you for speaking up.

Some people are quick to tar everyone with the same brush. I grew up in an an area of Newfoundland where there weren't any natives. Salmon poaching by stringing nets across rivers at night was a persistent problem and it was done by non-natives.

I came out to Saskatchewn/Alberta in the seventies and stayed. I've worked all through the Cold Lake and Fort McMurray areas at various oil-related facilities and rubbed shoulders with many natives. Well, truth be told, more than rubbed shoulders, lol; my wife of many years is a native woman from the Lac La Biche area. My life experience has taught me that people are people, mostly good but there are some bad apples. And they are found everywhere, no matter what their colour, race, or ethnicity.

Of course, the usual suspects (bigots and racists) are unlikely to change so we're stuck with them. But they need to be called out when they stereotype and make thinly-veiled racist slurs.
 
FallenShadow80 said:
Wow I love the racism in this forum. Shows the true colors of Canadians. Not all the apologetic sweet polite people that the media makes them out to be. Classing all first nations as the same because of the few who commit these atrocities. So does that mean all the stereotypes about white people are true also. Every First Nation hunter I know, including myself follow the same hunting seasons at non-natives and only take what we need. At least the racism that we see every single day of our lives from white people is finally showing it's face in public. But hey, I'm all up for giving up our treaty rights, supplying that the land our tribe owned is returned to our people. I'm from Hobbema, AB now know as Maskwacis which is it's rightful name. We owned all the land from Pigeon Lake, to Gull Lake, to Buffalo Lake over to Bittern Lake. So that means, Wetaskiwin, Ponoka, Bashaw, Lacombe and many others are on land that was taken from us as part of our treaty. So by all means. Kill the treaties. Make us all equal. I actually welcome it.
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When you treat people differently based on race then yes it is racism. That is exactly what we are complaining about.

Its interesting to think that anyone is entitled to land based on the fact that at one time it was theirs. I can't think of anywhere that logic applies other than native Americans.Should the Cree give land back to the Blackfoot?
 
FallenShadow80 said:
Wow I love the racism in this forum. Shows the true colors of Canadians. Not all the apologetic sweet polite people that the media makes them out to be. Classing all first nations as the same because of the few who commit these atrocities. So does that mean all the stereotypes about white people are true also. Every First Nation hunter I know, including myself follow the same hunting seasons at non-natives and only take what we need. At least the racism that we see every single day of our lives from white people is finally showing it's face in public. But hey, I'm all up for giving up our treaty rights, supplying that the land our tribe owned is returned to our people. I'm from Hobbema, AB now know as Maskwacis which is it's rightful name. We owned all the land from Pigeon Lake, to Gull Lake, to Buffalo Lake over to Bittern Lake. So that means, Wetaskiwin, Ponoka, Bashaw, Lacombe and many others are on land that was taken from us as part of our treaty. So by all means. Kill the treaties. Make us all equal. I actually welcome it.
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Interesting..... speaking of racism, you may want to get off the reserve and have a look around..... not all Canadians are white...... people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.....

Ignore the facts if you wish, but they still remain.... had this been a non aboriginal group, severe fines and perhaps jail sentences would have been levied, not to mention confiscation of property...... if your people wish to self govern, as per the treaties, then I strongly suggest you start doing so before you wipe out populations of species due to greed.....

I commend you for following the seasons when you don't have to..... just like I commend spank...... but what do you intend to do about your fellow aboriginals that are not and are putting populations at risk?...... more important, what does your band intend to do?

If you don't want to be judged as a group then act responsibly, have a plan, make some laws around harvesting and penalize those that break them....... it's not rocket science, if you keep shooting moose when their population is in decline all year round and wiping out moose "families" like in this case, then nobody will be able to harvest them or they will go extinct..... stop confusing common sense with racism....
 
Thank you Spank & Brad.

The problem isn't specific to FN, FN just happen to have free reign. In our area, during deer season I routinely hear shooting after dark. It is extremely irritating when one plays by the rules and know others within a kilometer from my house are not. I have had trespassers on our property (told to F off by another hunting buddy who hunts the property next door).

My kids asked me why are people shooting after dark and why don't you do that? I tell them it is illegal and the consequences if I am caught doing it too are not worth it. Also, it is not ethical I explain. We need to all be following the same rules which are not in my view onerous. My son will be hunting with me shortly and it is extremely important that the rules of the road are explained and adhered to. But that's just me and I imagine a large number of hunters on this site.

That said, as I grow older, I am dismayed to see the lack of consideration all levels of government put into conservation and enforcement. In BC, a pittance is put into those areas. It is really a Canadian wide attitude that assumes the animals will always be there; that the fish will always be there and that our trees should be cut and sold as raw logs. As a nation I think we assume we have such a large country that we can basically screw everything up and there will be no consequences.
 
FallenShadow80 said:
Wow I love the racism in this forum. Shows the true colors of Canadians. Not all the apologetic sweet polite people that the media makes them out to be. Classing all first nations as the same because of the few who commit these atrocities. So does that mean all the stereotypes about white people are true also. Every First Nation hunter I know, including myself follow the same hunting seasons at non-natives and only take what we need. At least the racism that we see every single day of our lives from white people is finally showing it's face in public. But hey, I'm all up for giving up our treaty rights, supplying that the land our tribe owned is returned to our people. I'm from Hobbema, AB now know as Maskwacis which is it's rightful name. We owned all the land from Pigeon Lake, to Gull Lake, to Buffalo Lake over to Bittern Lake. So that means, Wetaskiwin, Ponoka, Bashaw, Lacombe and many others are on land that was taken from us as part of our treaty. So by all means. Kill the treaties. Make us all equal. I actually welcome it.
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Until people like you speak out publicly and affect change be prepared to be painted with the same brush.
 
skhunter said:
Until people like you speak out publicly and affect change be prepared to be painted with the same brush.
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EXACTLY........ no racism in effect here ....... just common sense.....

Killing an entire family of a species while it is dwindling is just stupid, and reckless..... lashing out at members that are not a part of your ethnic group, when they are not the problem, is even worse......

We have mutual interest in ensuring this population remains both harvestable and sustainable....... race, creed and colour has no place in this argument......
 
If some legal hunters shot the four moose in season and had tags,would we be saying they are wiping out the moose population? Would be a non issue.
 
Same issue they have the right to shoot the moose.Did they trespass? Yes but no as the owner has waved his right to prosecute.
 
Crowca3 said:
If some legal hunters shot the four moose in season and had tags,would we be saying they are wiping out the moose population? Would be a non issue.
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If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle... what is your point?......

Moose tags are issued based on population assessments and harvest success rates...... and they are becoming few and far between....... as I am not a group member in Ontario, my chances of getting a tag are pretty much nil......

if legal "Canadian" hunters had taken these moose then so be it..... but I can assure you that a group of four isn't going to get a bull tag, two calf tags and a cow tag anytime soon......

Stick to the issue at hand.....
 
Wow brad you are usually quite calm,I am talking about the issue. Other than trespassing there is nothing wrong with harvesting moose if you are allowed by law. You all seem to forget that there are Canadian native people whom are allowed by law to do just that.

As for you deciding how I respond to a post not really sure that I am OK with that. My opinion is mine and I will express it however I wish.

Ps Have you checked to see if your aunt has balls or are you assuming she doesn't.
 
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