Love my Hunter, and it loves my hirtenberger, just takes a second hit sometimes to pop the primer. Really not a big deal. Just wish I had the carbon or light profile barrel. Any one want to trade? 308SS HB JP hand guard for any calibre lighter upper? I'll make it worth your while. And ATRS has opened the door for other rifles like this, what else did we have before this? Future looks bright, thanks ATRS.
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I wasn't being sarcastic or anything, I genuinely wasn't aware the Serbu or AG42 were running DI, as I don't personally have any experience with those two. Thanks for the heads up.
Thanks ☺.... i didn't want to have to dish out a sarcastic comment on this fine Friday evening lol
xcr, sig sg, FNAR, RFB, coming available MDR, B&T, etc
now if you are also looking to compare with MV, that opens up a whole lot more options.
I'm still looking for the holly grail, which to me is a accurate 308 semi that comes in at 7lbs or less, MH is heavy at 8lbs in its lightest configuration, until then I will stick with the ACR in 30RAR.
Looking forward to handling an MDR and seeing how it feels, It can be heavier than the 7lbs because of length, but if it is finicky with ammo and accuracy it is a non starter for me.
My thoughts exactly about Hitzy.
Most people fail to realize this rifle was never designed to be an "every man's rifle". It may look like a simple AR with enough changed to get it past the RCMP as non restricted but it's not. This is obvious by the problems it has with cheap ammo that an AR-10 would eat without complaint because it's designed to be a battle rifle, it has loose tolerances to make it reliable, the MH is designed a little tighter to increase accuracy potential with the tradeoff being reliability with certain types of ammo.
This is a hand fitted custom that was designed to run quality ammo. I don't see it as a hunter either regardless of the name. I've run a couple hundred rounds through three MH's and none of them liked anything soft point even though my AR-10 would eat the same stuff. What it was designed to do was run quality ammo and like any semi it needs to be tested with a few different brands/types/weights of ammo to find what it likes.
If you're considering a MH just to run cheap FMJ surplus because you want a non restricted semi you would be better off buying a used M305 and putting it in a nice stock or an XCR-M or Famme then spend the money you saved on a crate of surplus.
Funny how everyone wants a high quality non restricted accurate and reliable semi auto but then when a company builds one most people that buy one feed it garbage ammo that the manufacturer recommends against then complain that it's unreliable and not very accurate. If they had built it loose so it was reliable with any ammo everyone would complain that it's not accurate even with quality ammo. ATRS builds a quality product aimed at experienced shooters that understand the difference between premium and surplus ammo and what firearms each works best in.
Notice how you don't hear complaints like "I just can't get it to cycle handloads" or I just can't seem to get any handloads to make nice groups". Probably because most people handloading for a rifle like this are experienced handloaders and know what is going to work before they start because they know about burn rates and projectile selection to get a semi to function correctly. As has been said before surplus ammo was designed to be run in surplus rifles with military spec hammer springs not custom rifles with 4 pound triggers.
This is a hand fitted custom that was designed to run quality ammo. I don't see it as a hunter either regardless of the name. I've run a couple hundred rounds through three MH's and none of them liked anything soft point even though my AR-10 would eat the same stuff. What it was designed to do was run quality ammo and like any semi it needs to be tested with a few different brands/types/weights of ammo to find what it likes.
If you're considering a MH just to run cheap FMJ surplus because you want a non restricted semi you would be better off buying a used M305 and putting it in a nice stock or an XCR-M or Famme then spend the money you saved on a crate of surplus.
Funny how everyone wants a high quality non restricted accurate and reliable semi auto but then when a company builds one most people that buy one feed it garbage ammo that the manufacturer recommends against then complain that it's unreliable and not very accurate. If they had built it loose so it was reliable with any ammo everyone would complain that it's not accurate even with quality ammo. ATRS builds a quality product aimed at experienced shooters that understand the difference between premium and surplus ammo and what firearms each works best in.
Notice how you don't hear complaints like "I just can't get it to cycle handloads" or I just can't seem to get any handloads to make nice groups". Probably because most people handloading for a rifle like this are experienced handloaders and know what is going to work before they start because they know about burn rates and projectile selection to get a semi to function correctly. As has been said before surplus ammo was designed to be run in surplus rifles with military spec hammer springs not custom rifles with 4 pound triggers.
Interesting take on it, But I have to disagree to a point, My Herron arms converted ACR's run tight tolerances to gain accuracy yet eat all the factory ammo I put in them, including the 7.62x39 with dominion lacquered steel cases and hard primers.
Seems certain companies have figured things out while others have not. For example, A sako TRG will shoot anything and do so accurately to boot, from steel cased surplus to match loaded military sniper rounds. IMO a rifle that requires handloading to be accurate and function every time the trigger is pulled so it does not fail is really not worth having, Especially when hunting and likely there is no second chance to get it right.
how do you know your acr has tighter tolerances? Even if it was made with tighter tolerances it probably wasn't cut to minimum saami specifications. Did they tell you they the barrel was cut to minimum saami specifications? Comparing a bolt action rifle to a semi automatic if a very unfair comparison a bolt action rifle is so much more forgiving for feeding, accuracy, everything. I bet you take any sako trg and make handloads it will preform better. I wouldn't have any concerns taking my modern hunter out hunting. I have not had a single failure to feed or ejection issue with mine. My mh is more acurate and more reliable then my xcr-m was. Just because this particular rifle isn't for you doesn't mean you need to bash it. But I guess haters are going to hate.
I agree that more emphasis should have been placed on reliability but your ACR is not a custom rifle and changing the barrel doesn't make it a custom hand fitted rifle. Herron uses the original barrel extension from the factory 223 barrel or a standard milspec extension when the original is not available. They lap the bolt for perfect fit and that's it. I also don't think there is a match grade 7.62x39 reamer so you won't have a tight chamber on that one. I love my ACR but I know it's not a custom even though I built my own caliber conversions for it.
A TRG is also a bolt action and should have zero issues with any ammo since it was designed to be a military grade sniper rifle as far as I know. It's not a custom built competition precision rifle even though it's easily capable of sub moa with quality ammo.
bolt on my ACR is custom made by Herron, no longer a factory modified one.
My 7.62x39 was well under an inch at 70 yards, not normal for that caliber with cheap steel cased ammo
TRG is just an example, It is known for shooting virtually any factory ammo type very well unlike other "military grade sniper rifles" as you so call them. the same possibility should exist in a semi auto, If I have to voodoo up a load via reloading to get better than 2-3moa in a semi or just make it function reliably, forget it, its not for me
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When you make comments about having to voodoo handloads to get better then 2-3 moa I can tell you have never shot a modern hunter before. Your just a hater with no knowledge of the product just like hitzy. Or I guess maybe you have shot a modern hunter you just can't shoot better then 2-3moa.
I have shot a few MH rifles belonging to members here. I have no problem attaining 1moa and better accuracy with factory ammo out of rifles I own or have owned like SL8, swiss sniper, TRG, Desert Tech, RFB, acr, steyr, sauer, etc.
But to be honest, those MH I shot were only with the owners handloads and took their accuracy claims and problems with factory ammo at face value as I was not going to push them to allow me to try different ammo types so i could see for myself and risk damaging their property.
Yet you don't hear of all these issues with actual accuracy AR308 rifles which have also been used in combat as designated marksman rifles. Canada used them in Afghanistan, as did the UK, Germany etc. I suspect the real issue with the MH and ammo/mag problems is with the mag/feeding geometry. Accuracy issues? Probably pushing the bullet into the brass. If you have to crimp a lot then that will also create accuracy issues. So again comes down to most likely a geometry problem.
My KAC SR25 ECR 20" came with a 5 round test target that was .913 moa using Win match ammo. Frankly any "match ammo" by Winchester or Remington hasn't shot well in any rifle I've owned. The rifle also came with a booklet "Weapon record book" which detailed the number of rounds fired before leaving the factory. A total of 78 rounds were fired prior to leaving the factory. Win match 168 for qualify and 150 grain ball ammo for function. A total of 60 rounds of 150 grain ball ammo is fired through the SR25 ECR before leaving the factory to test for reliability.
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Sorry but no it's not. It's a bunch of off the shelf parts put together. They seem to make the stripped upper/lower along with charging handle but everything else seems to be off the shelf parts from other manufacturers. That's like calling my DPMS LR308 a "hand fitted custom that was designed to run quality ammo" because I installed a new trigger in it. I could spin on a new barrel, stock, pistol grip as well. Or even buy special billet stripped upper/lowers for it. The only difference is it's restricted. It's still not a hand fitted custom. Semi custom or Frankengun I would agree with.
I do generally agree with this assessment.
I'm not seeing a lot of complaining regarding accuracy and reliability with garbage ammo. I'm seeing concerns with decent ammo or reliability variables with ammo that isn't garbage but isn't match. From the reports I've seen, the accuracy of these really doesn't justify $2 a round match ammo being fed through it. Hopefully after the initial accuracy fix, this will change.
Probably because they go up on the EE to be someone else's problem. Experienced reloaders move on quick once they know it's the gun and not the ammo. They don't keep feeding it and hoping to find a rare magic bullet. Again, I was keeping tabs on the EE and a few of these rifles decked out for precision were put up for sale quick with 100 rounds or less by guys who a quick post check revealed, were reloaders and target shooters. Were these early models that didn't receive the "non recall" ? Who knows. But they were moving them on pretty quick.
The bottom line is, if you're buying a MH right now. You're a Beta tester. Sometimes It's the price of being an early adopter.
I will also add that if the NEA 102 gets the final commercial product non restricted FRT (They already have the initial non restricted on the prototype. Incidentally ATRS was already selling as "non restricted" during that stage). Then the MH is done. Providing of course that the NEA isn't a flaming POS with the best selling feature being "That it has a great warranty". Considering the NEA 25 is similar and been in foreign markets for a while, I would give them credit for already testing it before we get them. If this plays out, well then the MH will be a footnote in Canadian firearms history. Let's be honest, the NEA doesn't even have to be that accurate or reliable to give the MH a run for the money, while also at half or less the price. The only thing not produced by NEA with that rifle is the barrel. So truly Canadian made not just assembled US parts in Canada.
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If anyone wants to hear an opinion from someone who actually owns one...
1. the barrels that come with these rifles are match grade which is why they do not feed surplus rounds reliably. This is why I changed the barrel on mine. I have had 0 issues with light primer strikes or anything else for that matter.
2. Accuracy I cannot comment on as I switched my barrel to a Standard SR25 pattern, and I am still testing loads. I suspect someone from atrs would ####e a brick no matter what I said.
3. This rifle is just fine reliability wise, it's just like any other DI gun I have had experience with.
4. The only gripe I have with mine is that it does not work with Gen 3 pmags, although I am working on that.
5. Ergos are amazing, props to the guys at atrs for building such an ergonomic rifle!
1. the barrels that come with these rifles are match grade which is why they do not feed surplus rounds reliably. This is why I changed the barrel on mine. I have had 0 issues with light primer strikes or anything else for that matter.
2. Accuracy I cannot comment on as I switched my barrel to a Standard SR25 pattern, and I am still testing loads. I suspect someone from atrs would ####e a brick no matter what I said.
3. This rifle is just fine reliability wise, it's just like any other DI gun I have had experience with.
4. The only gripe I have with mine is that it does not work with Gen 3 pmags, although I am working on that.
5. Ergos are amazing, props to the guys at atrs for building such an ergonomic rifle!
