ATRS modern hunter?

[no-one special]

The Modern Hunter and ATRS are in the same boat as NEA when they first started up. Quality issues with parts and design flaws. I use the term design loosely because most of the dimensions for the receivers are standard AR dimensions and all the parts used to assemble the rifles are sourced from other manufactures.

The only difference is ATRS charges 4x the amount for their product while offering the same poor customer service/after sale support. One doesn't have to spend a lot of time searching the internet to find the information to support my statement. Unfortunately in the past anything negative posted about the Modern Hunter here was deleted although it seems something has changed recently.

Hopefully it gets worked out so all those that have purchased one can feel better about the thousands they have spent on their rifle.

WOW!! What a load of crap! The customer service I have recieved has always been stellar.

 

[Epoxy7]

I guess we'll have to agree on some points and agree to disagree on others.
I hope you're right about the pricing of the NEA but I'm sceptical. I could see them selling it to retailers for that price then the retailers will add 20-25% so they make some money. Regardless, if they come to us for $2000ish I'll be giving one a test run, I do miss my AR-10's but just don't have much use for a restricted rifle anymore now that I can shoot at home and have a hard time justifying $4k for a rifle that I'm just going to have some fun with and maybe shoot the odd coyote with.
I'd still like to get my hands on a MH or MV so I could do some load development and see what they're actually capable of instead of reading all the posts from guys who don't understand that surplus isn't going to make small groups or who just don't know how to shoot. These should be able to print sub moa with good ammo all day long considering the quality of barrel that's in them yet the only positive accuracy results I've seen are from one guy with a 6.5 creedmore which also sits on the EE.

Fair enough.

I will add that the biggest changes to the GII was the BCG. Not just dimensional either. But, two ejectors, monlithic gas key, new extractor and elastopolymer button instead of a spring for that extractor. Most of the R&D/changes on the GII was with the BCG. Next to enhance reliability they did up a steel feed ramp design along with a longer ejection port and improved brass deflector. The most notable change in the GII is the form factor, however most of the less noticeable changes seem to be designed to increase reliable functioning. The same thing you'll see with the LMT/KAC BCG designs where improvements were done to the BCG to increase reliability. If the regular DPMS LR308 BCG was fine I doubt they would have spent the millions and years developing the newest GII. The GII is a commercial product, marketed under DPMS and as the Remington R-25 hunting line. Do yourself a favour and check one out some time. Now if only LMT/KAC would make a rifle based on the GII format.. Now that would be something.

I'd like to get my hands on a MH as well and see if it shoots. But I'm not prepared to spend the money on one, knowing what I do about what's actually under the hood, along with already mentioned issues. Otherwise I would likely have already bought one off the EE.

We will have to see with the NEA 102. The good news for prices is that contrary to SFRC claiming to the be the distributor, there are actually two companies that are. Canada ammo and SFRC. Both are known for being competitive with pricing. So I hope this will help NEA remain priced as they have stated and avoid monopoly pricing hikes by third parties.

 

[mildcustom2]

WOW!! What a load of crap! The customer service I have recieved has always been stellar.

Member since November 2016, zero feedback score, 32 posts which a majority are about ATRS product. Pretty sure we know what's going on with you.

Plenty of info other places on the World Wide Web showing the history of customer service issues with warranty problems. Search for it before calling me out.

 

[Bile]

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[P0WERWAGON]

all this about customer service being soo good and great. what was the stellar service for? pre or post sales? pre sales i understand, but post sales i dont. for $4k, i better not have to call in about my product.

 

[onetwentyish]

WOW!! What a load of crap! The customer service I have recieved has always been stellar.

Member since November 2016, zero feedback score, 32 posts which a majority are about ATRS product. Pretty sure we know what's going on with you.

Plenty of info other places on the World Wide Web showing the history of customer service issues with warranty problems. Search for it before calling me out.

I suppose I have to chime in here since I'm one of a handful who actually owns this product and have first hand experience.

The ATRS customer service is good. They've been helpful and receptive.

now what?

Add me to this list of always left feeling like my business was appreciated and being taken care of like you would expect from a smaller company who knows its business relies on its costomers happiness.

 

[onetwentyish]

all this about customer service being soo good and great. what was the stellar service for? pre or post sales? pre sales i understand, but post sales i dont. for $4k, i better not have to call in about my product.

While I can understand that, I have also had to call NS about my Tavor, Gravel about my ACR, and I havent shot my Swiss or my HK SL8 or had them long enough to need the importers help yet. But I can tell you ATRS has been the most pleasant to deal with.

What do you drive? How much did you pay for it? How often has it been to the shop?

 

[Chago]

Add me to this list of always left feeling like my business was appreciated and being taken care of like you would expect from a smaller company who knows its business relies on its costomers happiness.

Ya I don't have any issue with there service. I just feel that for a rifle at that price range and being it's from a precision known Smith. I would expect better accuracyy out of the box. That's my only complaint. I have $250 surplus rifles with surplus ammo shooting tighter groups. Never mind the time and money I spent reloading every possible variation I could. With no real results.

 

[Dr. Hunter]

I reload for my bolt precision rifles. I do a lot of long range shooting and am very familiar with the mechanics and know how when it comes to precision reloading. I gave up on my modern hunter. Mine came from factory was not a used rifle. I tried amax, Berger, Sierra match kings. I tried varget, 4305, 8208 xbr. I tried various seating depths, Brass lengths eTC.

Take that for what it's worth. I had the stainless barrel not the proof.

My friend has helped me reload for many of my rifles. We spent a lot of time and money on the modern hunter and never got it to consistently shoot sub moa. It's not the shooter or the ammo. We tried different high end scopes and mags as well to help trouble shoot. We have both shot 0.1 moa groups with bolt actions and reloaded ammo but the best we could get from the stainless barrel was about 1 moa on occassion but usually closer to 1.5. The only problem I had was prior to the first one hitting the market Rick was predicting sub moa with minimal effort if it was sold as likely 1.5 moa than whatever. I have a Christensen arms 308 that comes with a guaranteed 1 moa accuracy

 

[Epoxy7]

I suppose I have to chime in here since I'm one of a handful who actually owns this product and have first hand experience.

The ATRS customer service is good. They've been helpful and receptive.

now what?

Helpful and receptive to what? Selling you stuff? Or where there problems that you had with the product?

Ya I don't have any issue with there service. I just feel that for a rifle at that price range and being it's from a precision known Smith. I would expect better accuracyy out of the box. That's my only complaint. I have $250 surplus rifles with surplus ammo shooting tighter groups. Never mind the time and money I spent reloading every possible variation I could. With no real results.

Ouch. Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately you weren't alone. On another forum the rifle gained the nickname "The Modern shotgun". I have to admit I am actually puzzled by this. I don't believe the cam pin would create this accuracy issue. Almost any AR308 with a quality barrel and trigger can shoot in the .5 moa range. Heck I bought an AR15 Stag 6R for $1400 with a .5 moa guarantee and the thing has a 556 chamber. The AR isn't hard to make accurate.

Chago, thanks for sharing. I have to admit I do every now and then get the urge to try and see if I can get a smoking deal on a MH in the hopes that I could make it shoot. The idea that the person can't shoot a semi auto, that they don't know how to reload for a semi, or weren't using match ammo etc is tempting. A bit more research brings one's ego back to earth and the wallet then quickly closes.

Dr. Hunter, again that puts ones ego back into check when I'm browsing the EE looking for deals.

My friend has helped me reload for many of my rifles. We spent a lot of time and money on the modern hunter and never got it to consistently shoot sub moa. It's not the shooter or the ammo. We tried different high end scopes and mags as well to help trouble shoot. We have both shot 0.1 moa groups with bolt actions and reloaded ammo but the best we could get from the stainless barrel was about 1 moa on occassion but usually closer to 1.5. The only problem I had was prior to the first one hitting the market Rick was predicting sub moa with minimal effort if it was sold as likely 1.5 moa than whatever. I have a Christensen arms 308 that comes with a guaranteed 1 moa accuracy

 

[cr5]

I allready offered you my MH in the past and you didn't want it!

Lol, you just want me to do load development for you then give it back with a couple hundred rounds built for you.
I probably wouldn't want to give it back after spending the time and resources needed to develop a good load. I'd rather spend my time doing load development for my own rifles. If it was a long term loan that may be different though.
I'm not responsible for loss, theft, or if you get it back with a shot out barrel though

 

[onetwentyish]

Lol, you just want me to do load development for you then give it back with a couple hundred rounds built for you.
I probably wouldn't want to give it back after spending the time and resources needed to develop a good load. I'd rather spend my time doing load development for my own rifles. If it was a long term loan that may be different though.
I'm not responsible for loss, theft, or if you get it back with a shot out barrel though

If you wanted something to do I gave you the option, I never asked for you to role me ammo, I however was hopeful you would share your findings and load recipe for when I start reloading.

Another highly regarded precision shooter on this forum has now offered to see what he could wring out of my rifle, and I am tempted to see what he is capable with it. In my opinion a non-biased precision shooter should be able to show what this rifle is capable of, and that should be irrefutable proof of this sample at least. Either it will look good and shut down the naysayers, or it will proove their concerns and disappointments are valid and ATRS needs to fix something. Either way the shooting community would win.

 

[emerson]

Sounds good. Let us know the results.

 

[rally guy]

Does anybody has ideas as to what could be the culprit for the lack of accuracy? I mean the barrels a quality it can't be a million thing. Gas block hitting the rail, magwell geometry, bullet hitting the feed ramp or something?

 

[emerson]

My guess is, other than a few lemons and first run issues, many of the users are satisfied, but unwilling to put up with the constant internet attacks by a dozen or so posters, most of which don't actually seem to own one of these rifles. I can't afford to buy one, but whoever wants to ship me one for a few months is welcome. I'll reload for it. If it sucks, or not, I'll post results either way. I would be especially happy to do this for one of the critics in this thread who owns one and has given up on it. Or maybe the constant slagging is just running down ATRS by posters "representing other interests". Forgive me if I'm hesitant to accept internet gossip as gospel. Oh, also, if you're are shooting surplus ammo, don't bother to post accuracy results. GIGO.
Mo

 

[6MT]

My guess is, other than a few lemons and first run issues, many of the users are satisfied, but unwilling to put up with the constant internet attacks by a dozen or so posters, most of which don't actually seem to own one of these rifles. I can't afford to buy one, but whoever wants to ship me one for a few months is welcome. I'll reload for it. If it sucks, or not, I'll post results either way.

The truest statement in this thread.

 

[Epoxy7]

My guess is, other than a few lemons and first run issues, many of the users are satisfied, but unwilling to put up with the constant internet attacks by a dozen or so posters, most of which don't actually seem to own one of these rifles. I can't afford to buy one, but whoever wants to ship me one for a few months is welcome. I'll reload for it. If it sucks, or not, I'll post results either way. I would be especially happy to do this for one of the critics in this thread who owns one and has given up on it. Or maybe the constant slagging is just running down ATRS by posters "representing other interests". Forgive me if I'm hesitant to accept internet gossip as gospel. Oh, also, if you're are shooting surplus ammo, don't bother to post accuracy results. GIGO.
Mo

A number of credible sources have already posted their results with their MH rifles. I'm not talking about the guys who have only been on here a few years, have no trader ratings and minimal post counts other than ATRS threads. Then of course we have the posts with the mine shoots great followed by being listed up on the EE shortly afterwards.... Hmmmmm.

 

[emerson]

Maybe, maybe not. Never bought a single item from ATRS. You own or owned one of these guns right?

 

[Hitzy]

Does anybody has ideas as to what could be the culprit for the lack of accuracy? I mean the barrels a quality it can't be a million thing. Gas block hitting the rail, magwell geometry, bullet hitting the feed ramp or something?

How are the gas blocks installed/fit? Do they use clamp on or pinned? Are they some off the shelf (DPMS etc) affair or made in house?
Same questions for barrel extension and how well it's fit/squared/torqued to the upper. Seriously, I don't know what they use, but those 2 areas are where I'd look at if the barrel is known quality.

 

[Epoxy7]

How are the gas blocks installed/fit? Do they use clamp on or pinned? Are they some off the shelf (DPMS etc) affair or made in house?
Same questions for barrel extension and how well it's fit/squared/torqued to the upper. Seriously, I don't know what they use, but those 2 areas are where I'd look at if the barrel is known quality.

I'm suspecting barrel extensions based on what driller212 posted.