r34skyline
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Search? His marksmanship academy is on facebook and you can call and ask the man directly.
As for the optic test i'll have to search it. I'll post or pm when i refind it.
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Search? His marksmanship academy is on facebook and you can call and ask the man directly.
As for the optic test i'll have to search it. I'll post or pm when i refind it.
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mebiuspower
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So some peoples choices to use EOTech's doesn't validate the gear, but peoples choices not to use it proves they are not worthy? Sounds like you're trying to have your cake and eat it too. Doesn't work that way. Besides, I will trust the opinion of front line SF units over guys (FBI) who do domestic things like kick down the doors of tax evaders.
r34skyline
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
What about the word of the guys that make the product?
And I'm pretty sure nsw crane is a sf branch.
Before you jump down my throat I really don't care what someone else runs. You like it good for you.
But eotechs got caught for delivering optics that didn't perform as advertised. And that's just fact. Whether the current xps/exps models have rectified the issue or not I don't know.
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DVX,
Did you just say that you would trust the opinion of front line SF units over FBI? Would that include FBI HRT? Do you have any experience with FBI HRT or FBI SWAT?
I've worked with and been on courses with both "front line SF" and FBI. If you have worked with both might modify that assessment.
Rich
Did you just say that you would trust the opinion of front line SF units over FBI? Would that include FBI HRT? Do you have any experience with FBI HRT or FBI SWAT?
I've worked with and been on courses with both "front line SF" and FBI. If you have worked with both might modify that assessment.
Rich
Yeah, the French have finally modernized their soldiers from outdated sh*tty FAMAS rifles to a much more ergonomic AR design. Oh and don't forget, your average grunt doesn't get to choose his optic, he uses what he's issued. Much like the sh*tty Elcan we use!!
Spoken like a truly uninformed Eotech fanboy. The issueS yes plural were more than just thermal drift. Perhaps doing the research and reading all of the thread might lead to understanding ALL the issues with Eotech sights.... I will ask you: Are you ok buying products that are defective from a company that sold them to MIL and LE personnel??
Comprehension is key. People's choices as individuals have little bearing on the issue. When I mentioned that Eotech, NSW Crane, and the FBI had tested the optics I didn't mean that they had hit the range with some go fast dudes and recorded data. They tested them in very controlled laboratory conditions and confirmed that the sights did not work as advertised. I'm sure all three entities also conducted live fire testing as well. So to say "I will trust the opinion of front line SF units over guys (FBI) who do domestic things like kick down the doors of tax evaders." is just a little ignorant and demonstrates a lack of comprehension.
I would wager a lot of money that his answer is a hard "no", probably just another of the many self proclaimed experts here on CGN.
r34skyline
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Ok but if I speak for him and say yes will you pay said lots of money to me? If so yes. Yes very much yes.
I won’t say much as I’m not an SME except to say that in my employ is former hill dudes. We also bump uglies with current hill guys and we just ran a course with Calgary swat participants...
My hill guys are jealous of the muni Gucci budget. Muni runs aimpoints, hill guys run whatever they can get...
My hill guys are jealous of the muni Gucci budget. Muni runs aimpoints, hill guys run whatever they can get...
You are. VERY Clearly. A few doorkickers and actual experts have voiced their expert opinion, and you just regurgitate the same old information that we all already know that is OLD news and has been sorted by L3. The FACT is, tests prove drift happens to ALL reddots (some more than the Eo), and there are multiple reasons our SOF and US SOF teams run this L3 optic still to this day. If you don't like certain points, thats totally fair, but don't act like Aimpoints don't have their own issues or suffer from drift as shown in independent testing. There are very valid pros to this optic that make it one of the more used reddots chosen by SOF units. There is a large mix of optics chosen, and this is just one, but is quite popular with the teams. I also know for a fact that our units did testing after this was announced. What are they running now? Eotech. Sit down.
And in many instances, certain "pros" don't really matter much. a 50,000 hr battery life isn't more important than a 65MOA + 1 MOA dot for people engaged in battle. We aren't staying in the bush for months, and batteries are easily replaced the same way they are in the various electronic aids that our soldiers use. Add to that light transmission (HUGE) and all the other features and you start seeing why tens of thousands of actual shooters still chose to trust their life on these optics, but apparently not you shooting down a one way range.
So it's fine if you don't like it. Fair. But the issues have been addressed by L3 and the results prove it performs in those aspects (drift for instance) the same as the rest. If it's about L3 as a company, this is a layman opinion with what seems to be zero defense manufacturing experience. My wheelhouse.
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1: hate to break it to you, but you ARE the average shooter.
2: L3 knew that their Eotech optics suffered similar drift than the other reddots. They hyped the product a bit just like aimpoint did (false claims on their own website). when it was shown that they were in the wrong, they corrected the device and moved forward.
As for the company itself, I would trust the company that put HELRAS in the Ocean. The company (WESCAM) that makes missile targeting systems. How many drone based electro-optic systems does Aimpoint make? The sister companies are pot washing machines and pharma. yes L3 dropped the ball, but they picked it back up and ran with it, faaaar past what aimpoint could ever do. here is an example of Aimpoint lying about their products as well: https://www.aimpoint.com/product/aimpoint-micro-t-2/ these optics are NOT parallax free, they also don't state the thermal drift, which was verified by testing. Was L3 supposed to do the same?
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The problem is the HRT unit was told to chose between 2 aimpoint models due to battery life (makes sense for an HRT unit). But that said, WHO trains FBI HRT... WHO trains RCMP ERT?.... SOF units..
AFisher,
You sound like an expert in SF / HRT. I ask again, have you worked with either? or are you just reading a bit leaked on trials for sights? Often when working with the boys one will learn first hand info that isn't always available on the internet.
Rich
You sound like an expert in SF / HRT. I ask again, have you worked with either? or are you just reading a bit leaked on trials for sights? Often when working with the boys one will learn first hand info that isn't always available on the internet.
Rich
I'm not an expert in that, I just know enough to understand truths. If you know my work and who is involved in my side business, you know your answer. It's no secret that the product has close ties to certain types of people and groups being chatted about here. There's a reason I understand this fairly well, and my decade+ as an M.E. authority (my *M.E. sign off signatures on various defense related systems) in Military Aerospace/Naval Defense programs kind of helps me understand the technical aspect, and the business nuances which I'm trying to share. I worked on several L3 systems for development of their product, so I can attest to the workings of this company, in that they aren't trying to rip people off. I'm not trying to gloat, but your attempt at calling me out of sorts solicits a response, and the truth is I probably understand the truth to this issue more than most.....
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Cool story. Spent about a decade in the army, and I'll say I've lost my zero on the C79's from bouncing around in a vehicle (which has been a lot) more than I've lost a zero on my EOTech in hot or cold weather (which has been never).
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Eotech appears to continue to be used by front line dudes in the #### a lot.
Our own CANSOF seem to prefer them, or at the very least use them a lot. (I was surprised that some of the guys from DHTC weren't fans of the Elcan Spectre because of the base/mount).
Our own line infantry used Eotechs in theater for 13 years without, to my knowledge, major complaints.
I'd swear by my own Eotech I used over the POS $800 Elcan C79.
Know of a guy making a 400 meter kill shot with an Eotech, which is neither here nor there but still pretty cool. They excel for the role they were designed even though the company are dickheads for lying.
Our own CANSOF seem to prefer them, or at the very least use them a lot. (I was surprised that some of the guys from DHTC weren't fans of the Elcan Spectre because of the base/mount).
Our own line infantry used Eotechs in theater for 13 years without, to my knowledge, major complaints.
I'd swear by my own Eotech I used over the POS $800 Elcan C79.
Know of a guy making a 400 meter kill shot with an Eotech, which is neither here nor there but still pretty cool. They excel for the role they were designed even though the company are dickheads for lying.
