Did you notice how AR is about to be prohibited?

[beltfed]

You guys are arguing minutia.

Since C-68 was drafted they were clear that they were, and still are, after all semi-autos.
Long guns, carbines, pistols - that is ALL OF THEM.
The law is written to take them in manageable ‘bite sized’ chunks. Tavor, ACR, XCR, JR carbines, M1 Garand, SKS, MDR, etc., etc. They are coming for all of them.
It is intended to be a living document to restrict and prohibit at the stroke of a pen.
Prohib in small chunks means they can kill off through attrition with little to no repercussions like lost elections (most important) or buybacks/monitary compensation.

Once they are done with auto loaders, they’ll be able to swing their attention to levers and pumps, and then perhaps boltguns too eventually.

 

[limit time]

I love all the blind on this site ! HAHAHAHAHAHA (deeeep breath) HAHAHAHAHAHAH. Wake the #### up people !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mantis]

It sets grand fathering provisions. It does not reclassify any guns. Look into section 12 (13) for example. It is silly to assume cz and swiss are on the cutting board, we only know that they are there for sure with some other restricted guns. Nothing is done for fun!

Doesn't have to - the bill repeals the mechanism - classification as non-res by OIC - through which they were classified back to non-res. That means the previous classification stands - prohibited.

 

[Brian46]

He means that 12(9) is a catch-all for everything that the antis consider a "military style assault weapon." So they'll start with the SVT-40, and finish somewhere around the M10X, and get EVERYTHING in between.

12(9) specifies it must have a current registration certificate, current non restricted firearms have no certificate

 

[fhg1893]

12(9) specifies it must have a current registration certificate, current non restricted firearms have no certificate

Well, maybe it's *just* for the AR-15. Are you okay with that? I'm not.

 

[PinkyPlinker]

C-71 opens up six new prohibited classifications. Only two are being filled by the Libs, CZ858 and SA. That's the shot they wanted to fire at the Conservatives that made them NR. The other four will be filled, likely in short order, by the RCMP.

If you don't see this coming... well...

 

[guess_kto]

Not quite...


Sections 3.1, and 3.2 are the ones where the regulations specify that the CZ, and the SAN are non-restricted, or restricted based on barrel length. Part 2.1 of the schedule is the part where the individual firearms are listed...

Those section set them as non-restricted. Removing those sections does not really make for example swiss prohibited. Actually, relying on the removal guarantees a law suit: if you have restricted swiss, you are guaranteed GF, so why not oppose the move into prohibited? In both cases you will keep the rifle, but government can loose and look foolish. However, government can pass the regulation prescribing them as prohibited and no lawsuit or legal costs will be involved, guaranteed win. If you have to do regs, why not include something else? Don't you think they put 12 (9) for a reason? Do you think they put it just for fun?

 

[GALIL Man]

You guys are arguing minutia.

Since C-68 was drafted they were clear that they were, and still are, after all semi-autos.
Long guns, carbines, pistols - that is ALL OF THEM.
The law is written to take them in manageable ‘bite sized’ chunks. Tavor, ACR, XCR, JR carbines, M1 Garand, SKS, MDR, etc., etc. They are coming for all of them.
It is intended to be a living document to restrict and prohibit at the stroke of a pen.
Prohib in small chunks means they can kill off through attrition with little to no repercussions like lost elections (most important) or buybacks/monitary compensation.

Once they are done with auto loaders, they’ll be able to swing their attention to levers and pumps, and then perhaps boltguns too eventually.

This

 

[Brian46]

Well, maybe it's *just* for the AR-15. Are you okay with that? I'm not.

It is so any currently restricted firearm (all under certificates) can be prohibited without an oic.

I think we will see the entire restricted class dissappear, some we may still get to use if our provinces CFO approves an att, but that will be short lived, don't need to look any further than our current prohibs that att's were taken away from.

This is all a scheme to avoid paying compensation, once the current license holder dies they will have to be turned in as there will be no granfathering. They have shown us their long game. I would rather have compensation and lose them all now

 

[fhg1893]

Those section set them as non-restricted. Removing those sections does not really make for example swiss prohibited. Actually, relying on the removal guarantees a law suit: if you have restricted swiss, you are guaranteed GF, so why not oppose the move into prohibited? In both cases you will keep the rifle, but government can loose and look foolish. However, government can pass the regulation prescribing them as prohibited and no lawsuit or legal costs will be involved, guaranteed win. If you have to do regs, why not include something else? Don't you think they put 12 (9) for a reason? Do you think they put it just for fun?

What I meant was, the Bill actually specifies that the Bill proper changes regulations. That's unusual, since regulations can be changed just by OiC.

 

[Shin_Gunto]

You guys are arguing minutia.

Since C-68 was drafted they were clear that they were, and still are, after all semi-autos.
Long guns, carbines, pistols - that is ALL OF THEM.
The law is written to take them in manageable ‘bite sized’ chunks. Tavor, ACR, XCR, JR carbines, M1 Garand, SKS, MDR, etc., etc. They are coming for all of them.
It is intended to be a living document to restrict and prohibit at the stroke of a pen.
Prohib in small chunks means they can kill off through attrition with little to no repercussions like lost elections (most important) or buybacks/monitary compensation.

Once they are done with auto loaders, they’ll be able to swing their attention to levers and pumps, and then perhaps boltguns too eventually.

This.

I can't believe the fools saying this trojan horse bullsh@t is: "not to bad" "could have been worse" "ya! They didn't touch my AR" etc;

C-71 is poison to all law abiding firearms owners. Period.

 

[cement head]

Any semi-auto firearm is, if you have a machine shop and know your way around tools. Even if it takes a year and a couple of busted receivers.

Or you can just use belt loop and bump fire.

now why would you want to make comments like this on this Form?? are you an expert on this ?? don't you think the police might read this.

 

[Cameron SS]

One little mistake here... There's no hint whatsoever that this is limited to the AR-15. NONE.

It's probably many, many more things.

Well the ACTUAL mistake talks about prescribing firearms to be part of a new prescribed class. Currently we have 3 classes. 12.9 alludes to a fourth. Fortunately for gun owners the Liberals fsiled to notice that there is no provision in law to prescribe a firearm into a class that doesnt already exist.

12.8 already allows for future prohibs. 12.9 is superfluous.

Correct!

Did you notice that C17 does not reclassify CZ or Swiss. It only sets GF provisions. Actual reclassification will be done by regulation. So do we have the text? No! Do we know which guns are listed there? No! All we know that the list will most likely include the gun that you have a certificate for!

Actually we do have the text of the bill and the czs are not prescribed to be prohibited because they already meet the definition of prohibited as soon as the OIC naming them NOT prohibited is repealed.

 

[7.62mm]

now why would you want to make comments like this on this Form?? are you an expert on this ?? don't you think the police might read this.

Dude....pull your head out of the cement.....the rcmp have been making these modifications on firearms for years to make them restricted/prohibited.

 

[BillyBats]

The backlog for Ontario CFO restricted transfers went from 1700 to 3000 in the last few weeks (from the horses mouth ) coicodence ? Lol. Fear mongering is great for sales

 

[CoonT]

I'll ask it here, too


Is this the angle of attack we take with this bill, in that it is fundamentally un-democratic, as the MP's don't get to know what they're voting for?

Is this the 'out' they need, to be able to reject this bill and save face/look good in doing so?

 

[Travis Bickle]

You guys are arguing minutia.

Since C-68 was drafted they were clear that they were, and still are, after all semi-autos.
Long guns, carbines, pistols - that is ALL OF THEM.
The law is written to take them in manageable ‘bite sized’ chunks. Tavor, ACR, XCR, JR carbines, M1 Garand, SKS, MDR, etc., etc. They are coming for all of them.
It is intended to be a living document to restrict and prohibit at the stroke of a pen.
Prohib in small chunks means they can kill off through attrition with little to no repercussions like lost elections (most important) or buybacks/monitary compensation.

Once they are done with auto loaders, they’ll be able to swing their attention to levers and pumps, and then perhaps boltguns too eventually.

100% agreed.
Anyone who can't see this in between the lines is splitting hairs, naive, in denial or an unbelievable combination of all 3.
It's been happening slow for 25 years and they just put the writing down with this bill to speed it up a lot faster.
Still will take a couple generations but end result will still be realized.

Wake the f**k up people. Arguing semantics about how to interpret minutia of this Bill is retarded. The overall intent here is pretty clear.

 

[Travis Bickle]

I'll ask it here, too


Is this the angle of attack we take with this bill, in that it is fundamentally un-democratic, as the MP's don't get to know what they're voting for?

Is this the 'out' they need, to be able to reject this bill and save face/look good in doing so?

I don't know but that's what we need to start focusing on is how to fight this piece of s**t of a bill until we can vote these clowns out of office next year hopefully.

 

[cement head]

Dude....pull your head out of the cement.....the rcmp have been making these modifications on firearms for years to make them restricted/prohibited.

Dude my head isn't in the concrete. I have seen reports on what they have been doing . like trying to make an sks fully automatic etc. which is BS , and some moron who's sks did burp turned it in . the firing pin channel was full of grease. all I meant was leave it alone .

 

[Steiner]

OP is right. Do you really think they will stop at the Swiss and 858? Why would they stop? They'll take down the mountain one rock at a time.
None or your firearms are enshrined from eventual ban. I beg you, please don't be naive enough to think anything is safe.