Unreal! Where do I sign up?! Deer Cull with Headshots only!

About the only thing I can agree with that broad spouting off is that the Canadian Government spent nearly 6million of our Tax Dollars.
And to call it an adventure type hunt is BS and the fact is those Kiwis have some serious terrain at home in New Zealand as we have in the Queen Charlotte Islands.

Im pissed off because the Government and Parks Canada are spending my tax dollars without giving Canadians the opportunity to go and assist in this hunt or to get a chance to work.

Ardent, you made the business case very well and I agree, but again it is the politics and the optics of the agenda those two parties , namely the Federal Liberals and Parks Canada.

I am sure we here on CGN could headhunt ((no pun intended)seriously) someone who could run this whole country of Canada much better than the Shiny Putz in Ottawa and his cronies.

I mean run the country and not from the standpoint of only the Liberals and their friends will benefit from how the show is run.
Idealist... yes , but the BS that goes on is pathetic.

I'll say it again , Give a man some venison and he will eat for a day.
Teach a man to hunt and he will eat for a lifetime !

VanIslecam some of those deer will escape the recovery but, the majority is offered to the Local Band and other Residents form the article I read in the (choke, gasp) Province newspaper editorial by Michael Smythe..ffs I just puked in my mouth a little bit when I types in those two names.

I best shut up or I am going to earn myself a time out or worse...

To those who I may have offended Ill apologize now.

Rob
 
Also where this took place is in the Gwaii Haanas World Heritage Park. Hunting is prohibited here and virtually no access except by boat or floatplane and you need permission to enter the park. As far as I am aware access is limited to only a couple hundred at most visitors a year. There is no open access, no roads it is extremely remote, the weather unpredictable and the coastline dangerous for all but the most experienced boaters especially on the West side. So not a surprise it was done this way. I have hunted Graham island quite extensively and fished the West side out side Skidegate Narrows. But it just would not be feasible to get enough local hunters or off island hunters to the sites to be effective. They would have to use the techniques used to do so. If there were Canadians qualified to do they should have been given the contract to do it, but have no knowledge if there are. But the locals and first nations were involved so it was not a total outside endeavor.
 
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Am I correct to think the carcasses are left to rot?
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Did you actually read the article? I shows a picture of the recovered meet being distributed to the local first nations members. Some may not have been able to be recovered as the terrain there is very rugged, but at least a lot was utilized. Better than some other culls where it was all left to rot or buried.
 
I am not really bothered by this whole deal, I am actually happy the government is doing something to combat the problem. As for the shooters from New Zealand, I don't think there are a ton of people in Canada who do that as a job. I would rather they hire the best people for the job. At 6 million dollars and you involve helicopters, nobody is getting rich off this, those machines don't run on hopes and dreams...I have worked in that area of BC before and it is extremely rugged terrain and often very bad weather. When I was commercial fishing there, many of the other fisherman would shoot a deer here and there just for some variety, far as I know at that time it was open season and no tags needed, that was many years ago now.
 
In both threads about this topic I see people putting emotion before fact. Emotions do not belong in a conversation discussing the culling or extermination of an invasive species as the main goal of a cull is to remove as many animals as possible. These deer are an invasive species introduced to the islands by humans and with no natural predators they've grown to extreme numbers and are damaging the islands. They need to be wiped out.


To everyone crying that hunters should have been contacted first, hunters have been hunting these deer and are simply not shooting anywhere close to enough animals despite the 15 deer per year limit, which is likely the highest annual bag limit for deer across the country. Hunters were not successful in decreasing numbers so the only other option is professionals. Hunters failed so they called in the professionals. Get over it.
 
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To everyone crying that hunters should have been contacted first, hunters have been hunting these deer and are simply not shooting anywhere close to enough animals despite the 15 deer per year limit, which is likely the highest annual bag limit for deer across the country. Hunters were not successful in decreasing numbers so the only other option is professionals. Hunters failed so they called in the professionals. Get over it.
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Maybe we should hire out these Kiwis to take care of the Deer problem in Oak Bay .
After all they are professionals and are able to use sound modifiers to reduce the noise and stress of the gun shots.
Afterwards they could serve the venison with afternoon tea at the Fairmont Empress after a hard day of culling.

The media has spun it that hunters have failed to take care of these feral deer introduced in the 1800's.

Im pissed that we are contracting out jobs in Canada that I am sure some out of work BC (Canadian) Grizzly Bear Outfitters could have done just a good a job as the 'Professionals' from New Zealand.

Sydney Island was over run by Fallow Deer and the Island Residents had a Management Plan in place to harvest and cull, but Mother Nature wasnt part of the plan.
From 150 lb bucks to 90 pound bucks in a few short years and the fauna was being decimated by the Deer.

You could nearly see from the ground up to five feet clear across the island where the deer have eaten the lower limbs of the trees by standing on their hind legs...they where actually starving.

Jobs being farmed out when there is or has been no mention in the media splashes where the task was offered to Canadians First and thats a fact that has been omitted from any of the poor reporting of what is going on in the QCI Federal Park Islands.

The hunting of Deer in Hunting is prohibited in all National Parks this includes Gwaii Haanas National Park Reserve and the Chilkoot Trail National Historic Site... from the BC Hunting Regs.

Also,The possession limit for deer in MUs 6-12 and 6-13 is 5 - see Deer Licences section. See Notice to Hunters, pg 65 BC Hunting Regulations.
Bag Limits:
Deer: The bag limit and possession limit for
mule (black-tailed) deer is 2, of which only one
may be antlered and only one may be antler-less, except in MUs 6-12 and 6-13, where the
bag limit is 15 and possession limit is 5.

I am not advocating for BC Hunters to do the Job. I'm crying for Canadian Jobs filled by Canadians !
 
So,let's say for a minute that this was a neccesary undertaking. Is this a sustainable way to keep deer numbers in check? The way i see it, they introduced a prey animal without considering there are no predators. In my mind, they need to add the predators. Not an ideal solution to some, I'm sure. But, it's the only practical solution.
 
canadian hunter312 said:
To everyone crying that hunters should have been contacted first, hunters have been hunting these deer and are simply not shooting anywhere close to enough animals despite the 15 deer per year limit, which is likely the highest annual bag limit for deer across the country. Hunters were not successful in decreasing numbers so the only other option is professionals. Hunters failed so they called in the professionals. Get over it.
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The cull is happening in a National Park, where hunters can't hunt, kind of hard to fill tags where you can't legally hunt...
 
nomad 68 said:
So,let's say for a minute that this was a neccesary undertaking. Is this a sustainable way to keep deer numbers in check? The way i see it, they introduced a prey animal without considering there are no predators. In my mind, they need to add the predators. Not an ideal solution to some, I'm sure. But, it's the only practical solution.
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Not the best solution but definitely the cheapest...
 
scruffee said:
The cull is happening in a National Park, where hunters can't hunt, kind of hard to fill tags where you can't legally hunt...
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scruffee, thats the problem with the reporting both in the mainstream media and the fringe media like the Rebel.
They report it without explaining All the facts...such as the islands mentioned are distant and access is limited and rugged.
Rob
 
Reporting on this was interesting. The Vancouver Province headline is inflammatory even though the article itself seems to have a positive spin. Thats how you sell papers I guess?
Does Parks Canada waste your tax dollars? Possibly, I won't tell any one how to think about that. But to me, they are the only ones here on Haida Gwaii actually making an effort and committing resources to this issue so I commend them for that. I know how big an impact deer are having on the ecology here.
When Canada develops a hunting culture based around indicator and bailing dog hunting we will be able to compete with New Zealand hunters in our ungulate management strategies. We have terrific hunters here on Haida Gwaii who will take readily to these techniques given the right training. This was not weekend hunting, this was methodical and precise. In addition to the ground stalking teams, the helicopter team used were the acknowledged world experts at that type of hunting.
The majority of the time and effort is spent getting the last few deer in these situations and New Zealand has had a 90 year head start on us with professional hunter/eradication culture development. Hopefully some money will be spent developing our own group of hunter/dog teams to be able to take on more of this necessary work.

I think it would have been better to include more non-parks employees in the hunting from the start, and hopefully that is the direction being taken from here on. The deer will continue to migrate to these Islands and maintaining low numbers will require continuous sweeps to be done at least semi-annually. Hopefully this work will go out to local hunters. For now I am happy that someone is trying to deal with this issue. However, more emphasis on local employment is key to making this project and objective sustainable for the long term and to create more public buy in as well.
 
nomad 68 said:
So,let's say for a minute that this was a neccesary undertaking. Is this a sustainable way to keep deer numbers in check? The way i see it, they introduced a prey animal without considering there are no predators. In my mind, they need to add the predators. Not an ideal solution to some, I'm sure. But, it's the only practical solution.
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As I understand it, the goal isn’t to keep numbers in check, but to completely eradicate them from the island, no?
 
Ardent said:
-There is no screwing local hunters. They couldn’t keep up and / or didn’t want them. The environmental damage to the rainforest by deer is becoming untenable.

-The bag limit for deer on Haida Gwali has been 15 or more for a long time. If that’s changed let me know I never checked the limit as getting near it would be too much work. One of my guides has done the “big hunt” and try convincing enough people to take on that much of an endeavour, and the cost of the ferry for a truck and trailer. Non-BC folks might want to look up where Haida Gwaii is, and what it costs to get there.

-The band already has open season all over the island, no limits, and little interest in taking on a massive culling project.

-Helicopters are the most effecient method of culling, and they ain’t running machines on the BC coast for $600 an hour KePet. More likely $5,000-$10,000 per machine, per culling day, plus shooter. $600 an hour gets you a small piston training machine and a pilot that’s not going to work culling on the BC coast.

-New Zealand shooters who do this professionally will waste far less of that $10,000 a day heli time. We think nothing of hiring outside specialists in many fields, hire the best people for the job, not create the fast ferry version of culling.

-Recovering and caring for the meat is unfeasible, unless they want to supply the homeless with $100 a pound venison. Better to get the cull done and buy the shelters beef.

-No, the government certainly did not run this or any project as efficiently and perfectly as possible. But likely not 10% as bad as portrayed in this thread.
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I disagree with you 100%.

If I was running the show, first thing I’d do is send a letter to every government official involved in this dumb idea advising them their employment is no longer required. Then I would buy a brand new McDonnell Douglas MD530F helicopter for under $3 million, hire a full time pilot for $300,000 and a full time aviation mechanic for $150,000 then still have enough money left for fuel and parts to fix the machine all the while charging $3000 a day for hunters to come blast deer out of my chopper. Then after the so called problem of deer overpopulation was solved I would sell the chopper and recover nearly all my investment and be able to write off most of my expenses.

Now tell me how stupid my idea is Ardent...
 
Bring in a few wolves and let them do the work, much easier to control them a few years down the road.

For those that say Canada doesn't have qualified people to cull the deer, gimme a break. When has being qualified for a government job ever been a thing?
 
mark222 said:
Bring in a few wolves and let them do the work, much easier to control them a few years down the road.

For those that say Canada doesn't have qualified people to cull the deer, gimme a break. When has being qualified for a government job ever been a thing?
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Actually, my Union Thug Brothers and Sisters May have something to say about that .
Now, when we are talking about drama teachers posing as The Prime Minister then I may have to agree.

Umchorn2, Ardent actually made some very valid business points and along with his experience I think he is well well qualified in his message.

And I agree with it nobody else has to, that’s what is great about living in Canada we can agree to disagree and not have to worry about not waking up in another room because we disagree with the powers to be.
What I am concerned about is that we imported peoples to tcb in Canada and that is what pizzes me off.

The Stewards of the Land could have done this and reaped both money , satisfaction or working on their traditional lands and of course the meat that to feed their families.

Hell , I might be so upset had the grubbermint offered me some venison , but nope they went ahead and spent my tax dollars on hiring more foreigners.

I think we need to find someone outside of Canada to run the PM’s office and that includes the idiot sitting in that office as well.

Give the man a fish and he will eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.
Rob
 
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