Hornady Introduces Yet Another New 300 Magnum Cartridge

[Coolhand_Luke]

Everybody sell your 300 Win Mags and Weatherby's quick before they are worthless! The 300 PRC is here!

225 Gr ELD M @ 2810
212 Gr ELD X @ 2860

https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/rifle/300-prc-212-gr-eld-x-precision-hunter#!/

Basically it's a factory 300/375 Ruger that everyone? has been waiting for. I'm sure there are groans of yet another .30 caliber cartridge but with Hornady's support it should at least not be left immediately orphaned like so many other recent factory offerings. Aside from the sheer weariness that must be setting in for .30 caliber rifle collectors, the .300/375 Ruger cartridge should be a good well designed cartridge for a 300 magnum. I think should match the 300 Weatherby?

If Ruger offers this in something like the guide gun or FTW platform I could possibly be tempted.

 

[Tac Man]

Yeah .... ummmm .... I think I will hold on to my 300 Bee for now. ��

 

[Huntin' Gun]

Two .308 Norma magnums and a 300wsm. I'm fine (for now).

 

[Buckmastr]

I'll wait for the 270 PRC...

 

[Eagleye]

4 - 308 Norma magnums are fine for me. D

 

[hoytcanon]

Uhmmm... isn't that just a .300 RCM?

Edit; I see that this PRC is off the .375 Ruger case... well, we knew that was coming.

 

[stubblejumper]

Just what we don't need.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Just what we don't need.

Historically, just how many 300. magnums have they come up with ?

Grizz

 

[hometownhero]

Those speeds are with a 24" barrel btw. I would gladly take one. Or build a rifle and neck it to 7mm.

 

[SHELL SHUCKER]

Don't need it...Next.

 

[remington jim]

Nice Cartridge ! Very KOOL ! BUT its NO 300 WBee ! LOL RJ

 

[stubblejumper]

Historically, just how many 300. magnums have they come up with ?

Grizz

There are already more 300 magnums than we will ever need.

 

[Don_Parsons]

I have two 308's and a 30/06 as I pretend they are magnums.

It will be slow for them getting them going since the other 22 magnum cartrages are way ahead of the game.

People are kind of getting tired of burning vast amounts of powder at the range these days, don't get me wrong,,, I'm sure it's a fun cartrage to shoot,,, but a box of 50 brass at $100+ Cnd funds and a jug of powder that lasts a few months is pretty pricey these days.

The 8.7 lb mid heavy-barrel rifle chambered in 300 Win Mag with 180 to 212gr bullets is still a handfull,,, the larger then really start to change the shooting experience.

But that really depends on the shooter.

I liked my 300 Weatherby days, the mind said yes, but the body said no,,, funny thing is that the fellow that's hosting us for this year's Northern hunt is packing his old school 7mm Mag.

He left both of his big bore 30's at home since they kind of Rattle his cage.

Lots of other shooters on this forum along with my self know this all to well. If your ok at handling dragons, that's awesome,,, but when time, age, and over all funds factor into the picture,,, that might sway the out come of purchasing power.

Again, fine looking cartrage fore sure, I hope that folks support the cause if Hornady is successful at the marketing.

I'm off to the hunting grounds with my little BB plinker to see if I can close the gap on the little Bull Elk that's been eludding for the last few days.

Good and close if I can bust him on the tree line.

 

[nowarningshot]

Im covered for 30. Three 06, down to one 308 norma, 300 wm, 300 Rum. If i want to push 225s i suppose i could download the 340.

Hard to see, with the caliber overlap and saturation, how this isnt just a niche.

I can see replacing a super old 375 h&h with its ballistic twin the Ruger, or the 7x57 with its twin the 7-08. However......thats a fancy but...your selling a boutique caliber in ______platform, instead of 300 wea which is exactly the same, in the excellent Mark V?

 

[Dogleg]

I don't know about the 225s, but I can match the 212s with a .300 Win without breaking a sweat. I'd be the lAst guy to dissuade someone from trying something new, but I don't see the benefit.

 

[todbartell]

It will be more affordable than the current beltless standard action magnum (30 Nosler) and no rebated rim. I like it. Hornady doesn't load their stuff right to the max for marketing velocity either, expect almost 3000 fps to be possible with the 212gr ELDx from a 24" barrel with RL33

180gr Nosler Accubond to 62k psi :

Cartridge          : .300 PRC
Bullet             : .308, 180, Nosler AccuBond 54825
Useable Case Capaci: 89.059 grain H2O = 5.782 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 62000 psi, or 427 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 103 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

26 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant RL26                        91.2     80.5     5.21    3164   100.0    62000   13794   1.122  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL25                       100.3     81.9     5.31    3164   100.0    62000   13544   1.108  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828ssc                         93.8     79.1     5.12    3141    98.7    62000   14077   1.104  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                            99.1     79.1     5.12    3141    98.7    62000   14077   1.104  ! Near Maximum !
AA MagPro                           94.8     82.7     5.36    3128    97.1    62000   14577   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL33                       103.0     91.7     5.94    3119    94.5    57449   15437   1.153  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL22                        94.7     78.6     5.09    3116    99.4    62000   13895   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                      95.0     84.9     5.50    3109    99.8    62000   13388   1.113  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000                      103.0     83.6     5.42    3104    98.7    60173   13731   1.110  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL17                        82.9     71.4     4.62    3084   100.0    62000   12304   1.126  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo                    103.0     85.0     5.51    3083    99.9    54852   14110   1.148
Alliant RL23                        96.5     77.5     5.02    3083   100.0    62000   12441   1.130  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL19                        92.2     75.7     4.91    3079    99.4    62000   13292   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                      87.8     74.5     4.83    3069   100.0    62000   12772   1.128  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                      83.0     72.1     4.67    3067    99.9    62000   12852   1.128  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        83.0     72.1     4.67    3067    99.9    62000   12852   1.128  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL16                        88.7     70.9     4.60    3062   100.0    62000   12169   1.133  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831sc                     93.7     77.8     5.04    3057    98.0    62000   13193   1.118  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                       97.5     77.8     5.04    3057    98.0    62000   13193   1.118  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron                    95.3     76.1     4.93    3028    98.3    62000   12832   1.124  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                            91.5     71.9     4.66    3023   100.0    62000   11930   1.142  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350                       90.5     72.7     4.71    3022    99.8    62000   12304   1.130  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                            88.8     72.5     4.70    3021    99.8    62000   12276   1.130  ! Near Maximum !

 

[Gatehouse]

As this is a new cartridge, I am sure there are plenty of people going to be angry.

Sounds like a great cartridge- A similar concept to the 375 Ruger- The 375 Ruger offered 375 H&H ++ performance in an updated case design, and this is the same idea.

That said, the .308 caliber market is much more saturated than the .375. How many .308 cartridges introduced in the last 20 years have been truly successful? The 300 WSM and the 300 BLK are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head. And both of them brought something new to the table. All the rest of the 300 short mags and big cases like the 300 RUM have fizzled.

it's a better and more efficient case design than the 300 WM or WBY, and it gets rid of the superfluous belt. But other than handloading hunter/shooters who can appreciate the updated and better case design and want something different, who is this going to appeal to?

Long range shooters are more interested in the higher BC 6.6.5. 7mm's these days and most hunters that use .300's walk up to the gun store counter and say "What's the cheapest 180 grain 300 mag ammo you got?"

great looking .300, I hope it does well, and if I ever feel the need for another standard action .300, I will be looking at this one, but it's going to be a tough sell to make it popular.

 

[todbartell]

there's a growing market of heavy 30cal stuff

Hornady 225ELD
Sierra 230 & 240gr SMK
Berger 230gr Hybrid

If manufacturers put a 9 twist on the PRC, it opens the doors to even heavier offerings. The 300RUM has a following with LR hunters, this PRC will open doors to standard length actions and AICS magazines, cheaper brass and it will be easier to tune than the RUM...and longer barrel life and less recoil

 

[Longwalker]

Fills no void for me, I have no need for any .30 caliber magnum. But i hope it's successful, Hornady is an innovative company that has done many good deeds for shooters. I don't understand the commercial compulsion to make "new" centerfires hunting cartridges though. I think we could all do perfectly well with about a dozen choices or so, not the hundred or more currently produced. And I'm guilty of shooting a few oddball / exotics myself. Hmmm. Makes no sense. But what hobby does?

 

[Coolhand_Luke]

It will be more affordable than the current beltless standard action magnum (30 Nosler) and no rebated rim. I like it. Hornady doesn't load their stuff right to the max for marketing velocity either, expect almost 3000 fps to be possible with the 212gr ELDx from a 24" barrel with RL33

180gr Nosler Accubond to 62k psi :

Cartridge          : .300 PRC
Bullet             : .308, 180, Nosler AccuBond 54825
Useable Case Capaci: 89.059 grain H2O = 5.782 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 62000 psi, or 427 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 103 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

26 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant RL26                        91.2     80.5     5.21    3164   100.0    62000   13794   1.122  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL25                       100.3     81.9     5.31    3164   100.0    62000   13544   1.108  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828ssc                         93.8     79.1     5.12    3141    98.7    62000   14077   1.104  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                            99.1     79.1     5.12    3141    98.7    62000   14077   1.104  ! Near Maximum !
AA MagPro                           94.8     82.7     5.36    3128    97.1    62000   14577   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL33                       103.0     91.7     5.94    3119    94.5    57449   15437   1.153  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL22                        94.7     78.6     5.09    3116    99.4    62000   13895   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                      95.0     84.9     5.50    3109    99.8    62000   13388   1.113  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000                      103.0     83.6     5.42    3104    98.7    60173   13731   1.110  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL17                        82.9     71.4     4.62    3084   100.0    62000   12304   1.126  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo                    103.0     85.0     5.51    3083    99.9    54852   14110   1.148
Alliant RL23                        96.5     77.5     5.02    3083   100.0    62000   12441   1.130  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL19                        92.2     75.7     4.91    3079    99.4    62000   13292   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                      87.8     74.5     4.83    3069   100.0    62000   12772   1.128  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                      83.0     72.1     4.67    3067    99.9    62000   12852   1.128  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        83.0     72.1     4.67    3067    99.9    62000   12852   1.128  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL16                        88.7     70.9     4.60    3062   100.0    62000   12169   1.133  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831sc                     93.7     77.8     5.04    3057    98.0    62000   13193   1.118  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                       97.5     77.8     5.04    3057    98.0    62000   13193   1.118  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron                    95.3     76.1     4.93    3028    98.3    62000   12832   1.124  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                            91.5     71.9     4.66    3023   100.0    62000   11930   1.142  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350                       90.5     72.7     4.71    3022    99.8    62000   12304   1.130  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                            88.8     72.5     4.70    3021    99.8    62000   12276   1.130  ! Near Maximum !

It looks like SAAMI spec is 65k psi so it will do even a little better than you posted.

I think it looks like a very well thought out 'modern magnum' cartridge. For someone like me, heavily invested in .30 caliber bullets (30-30,308,and 3x 30-06) but no 300 magnum it could make sense for me. It gets about as much performance out the .308 bore before you get into really diminishing returns. I think the cartridge will probably hang around for a long time even if it doesn'ttake off like hotcakes. Like the 308 Norma Mag, sensible cartridges tend to hang around even without much factory support. But sometimes like the 270 or the 6.5 Creedmoor all a cartridge needs is some good affordable rifles available and someone to write it up. Maybe the stars will align for the 300 PRC too, only time will tell.