Best home defense shotgun ?

enefgee said:
There is actually nothing in the law that says the key cannot be kept in the lock, simply that the lock must be securely attached to the gun. Just saying.
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There is also nothing in law that says you can't sleep in a "vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked."

IF your bedroom has been specifically constructed or modified for secure storage of restricted firearms, and you keep your room locked while you are sleeping, then you can leave your unloaded unlocked firearm on the bedside table beside the loaded magazine and you are 100% compliant with the regulations.
 
The spirit of the law is that you have to make an effort to lock the firearm, and not show negligence or try to weave through on technicalities. Leaving the key in the lock will never help your case in court, and that's really the benchmark all of us should be using.
 
Cameron SS said:
There is also nothing in law that says you can't sleep in a "vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked."

IF your bedroom has been specifically constructed or modified for secure storage of restricted firearms, and you keep your room locked while you are sleeping, then you can leave your unloaded unlocked firearm on the bedside table beside the loaded magazine and you are 100% compliant with the regulations.
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Sounds legit to me, I will have to start my build! lol
 
Cameron SS said:
There is also nothing in law that says you can't sleep in a "vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked."

IF your bedroom has been specifically constructed or modified for secure storage of restricted firearms, and you keep your room locked while you are sleeping, then you can leave your unloaded unlocked firearm on the bedside table beside the loaded magazine and you are 100% compliant with the regulations.
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You'd have to lock yourself in the room at night, lol. Good luck getting out if there's a fire.
 
Kosmonument said:
You'd have to lock yourself in the room at night, lol. Good luck getting out if there's a fire.
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???? Lots of folks lock their bedroom door, keyed on outside lever on inside, takes 1/4 second to open,,and the door would likely be solid, so better in a fire ( to keep the heat and fire out)!
Think, Hotel room!
 
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Kosmonument said:
The spirit of the law is that you have to make an effort to lock the firearm, and not show negligence or try to weave through on technicalities. Leaving the key in the lock will never help your case in court, and that's really the benchmark all of us should be using.
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The "spirit of the law" is to make firearms ownership as painful as possible to deter people from keeping firearms available for self defense. So the "spirit of the law" can go fvck off and die in a fire.

Kosmonument said:
You'd have to lock yourself in the room at night, lol. Good luck getting out if there's a fire.
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Come on now. Is this the lead in to a newfie joke?
 
This isn't about like or dislike, it's about legal or not legal. We may not like our current set of gun and storage laws but it's the one we have, so I'm not going to sit here and pretend that winding a rope lock through a safe is sufficient to meet the Federal criteria for legal storage, because it's not.
 
Kosmonument said:
This isn't about like or dislike, it's about legal or not legal. We may not like our current set of gun and storage laws but it's the one we have, so I'm not going to sit here and pretend that winding a rope lock through a safe is sufficient to meet the Federal criteria for legal storage, because it's not.
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Why does it not? It renders the firearm unusable, I asume it is secured to the floor or wall! Looks good to go, as good as some of the tin can safes out there and they are legal!
 
Kosmonument said:
This isn't about like or dislike, it's about legal or not legal. We may not like our current set of gun and storage laws but it's the one we have, so I'm not going to sit here and pretend that winding a rope lock through a safe is sufficient to meet the Federal criteria for legal storage, because it's not.
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So enlighten us as to what is illegal with this setup? The gun is cable locked and unable to fire, its clearly unloaded. That’s all that’s required of a N/R firearm, it doesn’t have to be in a locked safe.
 
Cameron SS said:
How long does it take to run from your front door or other likely point of entry to the bed where you sleep. Because you have no more than that amount of time to retrieve, load and chamber, and then cover the door while you plan your next move. If you sleep with your door open then you have even less time.
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I'm pretty confident in 70lbs of GSD on my side slowing anybody down enough for me to get into the fight well and ready.

I would actually venture a guess a single "Speak!" command and a lot of perps are going somewhere else.
 
Gunusr said:
I would just use my katana, no point in getting my babies involved....
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The sword.... weapon of choice for thousands of years, and can be hung on the wall as a great decoration. No safe storage regulations, and surprisingly scary to the person on the other end (or so I've been led to believe). Not a bad choice, if you know how to use one.


altaberg said:
I'm pretty confident in 70lbs of GSD on my side slowing anybody down enough for me to get into the fight well and ready.

I would actually venture a guess a single "Speak!" command and a lot of perps are going somewhere else.
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And I have the 105-lb version of this as well.... also very effective against backyard trespassers, as has been demonstrated a few years back.
 
Just throwing this out there, something I saw on a reality based US gun-related TV shows. Guy had set his wife up with a single shot break-action .410 by her bed, which I believe was also a safe room, for when she was home alone, a row of shells attached to the stock with one of those elastic shell holders. This was based on the fact that she might fumble operation of a pump or whatever if in a panic situation whereas the .410 was foolproof, and the muzzle blast from that small gauge would not mess her up either. And of course in the US they would have access to a wide range of .410 defense loads intended for the Judge and the Jury handguns, etc.


EDIT: I left out the part about the .410 having virtually zero felt recoil.
 
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Blades are great, quiet, not usually as much to clean up after, looks good on the wall till needed, except, when the bad guy has a gun! If you are lucky you might be able to take them by surprise but if not!
 
Butcherbill said:
So enlighten us as to what is illegal with this setup? The gun is cable locked and unable to fire, its clearly unloaded. That’s all that’s required of a N/R firearm, it doesn’t have to be in a locked safe.
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Neither lock is being used as intended by the manufacturer, and there's an increased chance of malfunction due to the unnecessarily added complexity.

It's a stupid risk to take and just because you think you're being clever in doing it, doesn't mean you will actually get away with it. The lawyers would destroy you in a court room over something like this. If you want to pull stunts like these, or not have to do any of this at all, first you need to affect change in the laws.
 
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Kosmonument said:
Neither lock is not being used as intended by the manufacturer, and there's an increased chance of malfunction due to the unnecessarily added complexity.

It's a stupid risk to take and just because you think you're being clever in doing it, doesn't mean you will actually get away with it. The lawyers would destroy you in a court room over something like this. If you want to pull stunts like these, or not have to do any of this at all, first you need to affect change in the laws.
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Hear, hear the Sheriff is in town... Btw. you did not answer the question "So enlighten us as to what is illegal with this setup?".

RR
 
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