WanstallsOnline
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NEA/BCL 102 FAQ Thread
- Thread starter driller212
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Its still just a 102
I've owned my gen 2 for about a year now, and I cannot express how utterly disappointed I am in this rifle. Over the course of the year I've reduced the stovepipes from 10/10 to 6/10. It double feeds at a rate of 3/20. It will not chamber my handloads at all.
Short of me tearing this thing to bits and re-manufacturing it... any clever ideas?
Short of me tearing this thing to bits and re-manufacturing it... any clever ideas?
Okay, BCL102 mag question.. my bcl functions 100% with the mag that came with it, no FTF no FTE not a hiccup so far. I bought two ASC 5/20 mags, they won’t even lock in. I bought ASC pistol mags they locked in but need a slap and my second shot with those I had my first ever FTF and I haven’t tested any further.. I picked up a couple C product defence pistol mags and the are tight as well but I have yet to test further.. I’m thinking making the mag release catch hole a bit bigger on one to see if that gives them some room.. anyone else have this issue? Is the answer maybe to bring the mag release on the rifle a bit?
Figured I’d ask here before starting another thread.
Figured I’d ask here before starting another thread.
SouthWest Guy
CGN Regular
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- Leduc County ,AB
I'd do more diagnose on that.
FTE and DF sometime may feel like the same, but they are different.
Most common things for 102 is the bullet tip hitting below the feeding ramp, and unstable mags. Don't assume the mag comes with the rifle is 100% good.
I would try different types of factory ammo, and see what might changes.
Reloading for SEMI's is a BIG topic and many more things need to pay attention than bolt gun.
Always use brasses fired by this particular barrel/bolt, don't mix brasses from other guns/barrels.
And remember, a good load for this particular barrel, might not be a good load for the current gas/buffer/mag system.
Above all, semi need more works for fine tune.
Go to their website and submit a warranty support ticket. They have recall right now for the stove pipe issues
walleyed99
CGN frequent flyer
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- I'm not telling, Sask
After the 2nd bolt kit my FTE issues were solved. 2nd kit included new gas rings, extractor, and ejector. I also am still running the rifle pretty wet, and it's operating 100%. Other than the soft point hunting rounds. Have some Barnes loaded up for testing when time prevails .
Mystic Precision
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- Summerland, BC
Excellent advice. Some points to test to get a feel of where the problem lies in your rifle. All below applies to ANY AR platform as they share the same quirks
if stovepiping, not enough gas is hitting the BCG. take the BCG out, pull the bolt forward and sit on a table face down. The bolt should not slide back into the BC. if it does, swap in new bolt gas shims. The Bolt will feel a bit stiff going back and forth at first... there is supposed to be some resistance. of course, also check that there is an open path for gas to go from the block to the BCG.
To test the extractor and ejector, just run dummy rds through the rifle and it doesn't work now, it will not work when fired.
for FTF, you need to make up dummy rds with the bullet you want to use seated to the OAL desired. FYI, the max mag length may not be the length you will set the cartridge OAL... it may be shorter, alot shorter.
problem areas... bad mags, bad mag latch, poorly machined lower, improper barrel location in the upper, not enough bevel in the barrel breech face. For 308, I make my dummy rds using 150gr FMJs' cause I know the bullet tip is not going to stick or peen along the way.
I like to put 5 into the mag, lock into the lower, hand cycle the BCG - pull all the way back and let it fly forward. It the bullet jams, you can easily see where it is jamming and adjust as needed.
if the bullet tip is hitting below the chamber, fix may include mag tuning, latch tuning, barrel tuning, change in OAL. Each part can be diagnosed independently to find the problem area. Don't be shy to try various brands of mags and some mags will need adjusting to work.
Can be a bunch of work....
Properly sized cases is a must and err on the side of a hint small vs a hint big. I want my case headspace to be 3 to 4 thou shorter then the rifles. Dropping into the chamber will lead to an easy extract
When you get the dummy rds cycling into and out of the rifle smoothly and reliably, odds are they will also work fine when fired.
YMMV
Jerry
