Kar98 Iron Sights are awful.

Shoot it more and you will find they are fine, if your eyes are not good then you will never like them. Once you pick up on it they are perfectly fine to use. I prefer the Sharp triangle as it comes to a thin point. A thick post is harder to find the perfect centre on a small target I find but the triangular shaped sight of the Mauser goes from thick to slim its easier to use on smaller targets at range. Took me a lot of rounds to get used to the sights on my K98s and M48 and finding ammo they liked but now I have no issues and find it very accurate. By no means would I say they are better then the sights of a No.4 or M1 but once you figure it out you can be just as effective.
Also try with and without a sight hood you may find you prefer it on or off better.
 
Learn to shoot instinctively, you don't need sights for that.
WW2 soldiers had no time to use their sights, its point and shoot or duck for cover. So its not really matter what shape your sights are, once you learn where your rifle hits and its only weapon you eat and sleep with, that's all that matter.
 
gewehr76 said:
Learn to shoot instinctively, you don't need sights for that.
WW2 soldiers had no time to use their sights, its point and shoot or duck for cover. So its not really matter what shape your sights are, once you learn where your rifle hits and its only weapon you eat and sleep with, that's all that matter.
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Got a source for this bit of wisdom?
 
I don't think its been documented anywhere for armchair soldiers.
You practice enough times with your weapon so your muscle memory brings the rifle in proper position for proper shot.
This works at night as well no night sights needed.

There was no night sights in those days, one standing order in any army was not to smoke at night in the open. As the risk of being shot in the head with lit cigarette in the mouth was clear danger.

Now hey buddy I'm about to shoot enemy soldier, can you shine the light on my sights while I aim my rifle at the smoking guy's face? How absurd is that?

You aim at the light at night in the dark, can you see your sights? I doubt it.
That's when instinctive shooting is for.
I'm not saying its easy, but when you practice day in, day out it can be done and was done before.
 
Ah.
So you alone coined this term and Yoda like skill?
I'm gonna let others who have had military service handle this one...I must be an Armchair Soldier and thus am not worthy, LOL
 
gewehr76 said:
There was no night sights in those days...

You aim at the light at night in the dark, can you see your sights? I doubt it.
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Night sights were pioneered in the Great War and were not uncommon at the time. The French issued them in large numbers. The British, Germans and Austro-Hungarians used them in smaller numbers. The only downside was the use of radium as the illuminating substance, terrible stuff to work with.

If you aim with iron sights from a dark place to a light place you are presented with the silhouette of your sights on the target. Try it for yourself. Maybe your own armchair is getting a bit too comfy...
 
BlackPowderBurner said:
Night sights were pioneered in the Great War and were not uncommon at the time. The French issued them in large numbers. The British, Germans and Austro-Hungarians used them in smaller numbers. The only downside was the use of radium as the illuminating substance, terrible stuff to work with.

If you aim with iron sights from a dark place to a light place you are presented with the silhouette of your sights on the target. Try it for yourself. Maybe your own armchair is getting a bit too comfy...
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Radium was so new, no one understood it's implications. It killed its discoverers.

Grizz
 
tokguy said:
Ah.
So you alone coined this term and Yoda like skill?
I'm gonna let others who have had military service handle this one...I must be an Armchair Soldier and thus am not worthy, LOL
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Don't fret too much over this, unless you have rifle in your hand 24/7 it might be hard to accomplish. And not everyone can be that good, to those they gave full auto guns.
spray and pray.
 
BlackPowderBurner said:
Night sights were pioneered in the Great War and were not uncommon at the time. The French issued them in large numbers. The British, Germans and Austro-Hungarians used them in smaller numbers. The only downside was the use of radium as the illuminating substance, terrible stuff to work with.

If you aim with iron sights from a dark place to a light place you are presented with the silhouette of your sights on the target. Try it for yourself. Maybe your own armchair is getting a bit too comfy...
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In the beginning of the thread OP is talking about regular K98 rifle sight. Not something fancy. Last time I checked K98 even those RC ones had no night sights. most common weapon in german or russian or british or us army, a rifle was not equipped with these sights. So it don't matter who invented them or when they first being used, the fact is they were not common.

Yes if you have lots of light at the target you can see the silhouette, by the time you find the front post in the rear sight ,target will disappear. It will be even harder at dim light of cigarette. Unless you have trained enough to shoulder the rifle in correct way for all sights to line up from the bat in order to hit the target in pitch black. That's what I'm talking about.
You think enemy would present itself under the light at night? here shoot me. Its even dumber than smoking in the dark.
Or from your armchair standpoint you think there is street lights everywhere like in Canada?

I'm sitting on the couch by the way, not armchair.
 
gewehr76 said:
In the beginning of the thread OP is talking about regular K98 rifle sight. Not something fancy. Last time I checked K98 even those RC ones had no night sights. most common weapon in german or russian or british or us army, a rifle was not equipped with these sights. So it don't matter who invented them or when they first being used, the fact is they were not common.

Yes if you have lots of light at the target you can see the silhouette, by the time you find the front post in the rear sight ,target will disappear. It will be even harder at dim light of cigarette. Unless you have trained enough to shoulder the rifle in correct way for all sights to line up from the bat in order to hit the target in pitch black. That's what I'm talking about.
You think enemy would present itself under the light at night? here shoot me. Its even dumber than smoking in the dark.
Or from your armchair standpoint you think there is street lights everywhere like in Canada?

I'm sitting on the couch by the way, not armchair.
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Reread your own post that I responded to. You made some assertions that are silly which I corrected. Accept you were wrong and move on. I have not argued at all that point shooting and good weapon handling is not important. The fact is that enemies DO occasionally present themselves under light at night. To suggest this is impossible is again very silly. You have no idea where I've been or what I've seen. You embarrass yourself by suggesting I would think everywhere has streetlights. It's sad to see CGN at this level of discourse.
 
gewehr76 said:
Learn to shoot instinctively, you don't need sights for that.
WW2 soldiers had no time to use their sights, its point and shoot or duck for cover. So its not really matter what shape your sights are, once you learn where your rifle hits and its only weapon you eat and sleep with, that's all that matter.
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I can understand returning fire at night... this isn't Sniper Zen; pointing in the right direction and shooting.
But to say that the WW2 soldiers had no 'need' for sights makes you sound a bit silly. Especially with bolt actions...kinda hard to 'walk the fire' to the target.
Did you learn that from Video games?
 
BlackPowderBurner said:
Reread your own post that I responded to. You made some assertions that are silly which I corrected. Accept you were wrong and move on. I have not argued at all that point shooting and good weapon handling is not important. The fact is that enemies DO occasionally present themselves under light at night. To suggest this is impossible is again very silly. You have no idea where I've been or what I've seen. You embarrass yourself by suggesting I would think everywhere has streetlights. It's sad to see CGN at this level of discourse.
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What is CGN has to do with it?
Quite frankly I don't care where you been to. If you wish I can tell you where to go though.

This thread is about awful regular K98 sights. Please read the first post.
There were no night sights in WW2 in wide spread use on regular k98, issued to regular soldier. Besides it has nothing to do with what i'm saying.

What I'm saying that once you handle your rifle enough times to know where it hits with standard issued ammo all you have to do is shoulder it and squeeze the trigger.
This is done without aiming, by muscle memory. It only comes with practice and drilling. And it makes no difference its night or day, rain or snow. Night sights or no night sights. Light or no light.
As long as target is visible and within acceptable range.

That's why they try to make service ammo to same speck as consistent as possible, so it would shoot in the same trajectory. HM I wonder why is that.
Yes sights are good to have on the rifle but they are not used in majority of engagements.
 
Re: night sights.
Everyone is forgetting about these.
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