Should i use my unused sks or not?
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Dear Boris
Surely you know about the sks. However, I and many other Canadians can attest that the Marstar guns were not refurbed guns. They brought them in by the thousands and they and many other retailers sold them for $150-200 or so, an unheard of bargain before that time considering the condition.
In my opinion, you really don't know what you are talking about regarding these Chinese sks's, and have taken a hostile know it all attitude.
Lots of photos of those Marstar sks's can be found on this site. Please do your own research, then start a thread or revive an old one if you really believe those guns were refurb or something else.
from the marstar ad:
"
Our Chinese Military SKS rifles have a chrome-lined bore,
spike bayonet, and fixed five round magazine (in compliance with Canadian law).
1 Stripper Clip, and Oil Bottle included.
SPECIAL INTRODUCTORY DEAL: $199.00 with a hard case and a Marstar SKS T-Shirt....
Looking for Extra Magazines (Click Here)
Chinese Military SKS rifles
These are the “real thing” they are military production SKS rifles, manufactured in the early 1960s for the Chinese armed forces and placed in long term storage, where they remained until Marstar purchased them a few months ago.
These rifles should not be confused with previous offerings in the market of Chinese civilian versions.
These Chinese military rifles have heavier stocks than their “civilian” counterparts,
they feature machined receivers and chromed lined barrels....
IN SHORT THESE RIFLES ARE: True military models.... They are brand new.... They do feature ALL matching numbers....
They are NOT refurbished.... They are NOT reconditioned.... They are NOT arsenal re-manufactured....
Of course the magazine capacity has been tastefully reduced to five rounds in accordance with Canadian law.
No ugly welds, no unattractive added parts in the magazine
"
Surely you know about the sks. However, I and many other Canadians can attest that the Marstar guns were not refurbed guns. They brought them in by the thousands and they and many other retailers sold them for $150-200 or so, an unheard of bargain before that time considering the condition.
In my opinion, you really don't know what you are talking about regarding these Chinese sks's, and have taken a hostile know it all attitude.
Lots of photos of those Marstar sks's can be found on this site. Please do your own research, then start a thread or revive an old one if you really believe those guns were refurb or something else.
from the marstar ad:
"
Our Chinese Military SKS rifles have a chrome-lined bore,
spike bayonet, and fixed five round magazine (in compliance with Canadian law).
1 Stripper Clip, and Oil Bottle included.
SPECIAL INTRODUCTORY DEAL: $199.00 with a hard case and a Marstar SKS T-Shirt....
Looking for Extra Magazines (Click Here)
Chinese Military SKS rifles
These are the “real thing” they are military production SKS rifles, manufactured in the early 1960s for the Chinese armed forces and placed in long term storage, where they remained until Marstar purchased them a few months ago.
These rifles should not be confused with previous offerings in the market of Chinese civilian versions.
These Chinese military rifles have heavier stocks than their “civilian” counterparts,
they feature machined receivers and chromed lined barrels....
IN SHORT THESE RIFLES ARE: True military models.... They are brand new.... They do feature ALL matching numbers....
They are NOT refurbished.... They are NOT reconditioned.... They are NOT arsenal re-manufactured....
Of course the magazine capacity has been tastefully reduced to five rounds in accordance with Canadian law.
No ugly welds, no unattractive added parts in the magazine
"
I'll say it again.
Unless you have access to Chinese PLA armorers maintenance records, "Unissued", "Unfired" "all orignal" or "non refurbished" are purely subjective claims or sales pitches.
I have no doubt that many of the MARSTAR tyoe56's arrived in extremely High condition. But making absolute claims of "unissued" "unfired" and "non-refurbished" about surplus firearms that spent 30' to 70 years in foreign country is mostly wishful thinking.
Take the 18th year carbine in the YouTube video that North shared. The stock wear, the marred bluing on the trigger body are clear indications of previous service use.
This type of bluing wear does not occur in cosmoline storage direct from new manufature:
Obvious indication of poor sanding job-- also not a trait associated with original manufacture:
Splotchy finish. Two distinct shades of stock finish is a clear indication of a quick, pre-export makeover:
Unless you have access to Chinese PLA armorers maintenance records, "Unissued", "Unfired" "all orignal" or "non refurbished" are purely subjective claims or sales pitches.
I have no doubt that many of the MARSTAR tyoe56's arrived in extremely High condition. But making absolute claims of "unissued" "unfired" and "non-refurbished" about surplus firearms that spent 30' to 70 years in foreign country is mostly wishful thinking.
Take the 18th year carbine in the YouTube video that North shared. The stock wear, the marred bluing on the trigger body are clear indications of previous service use.
This type of bluing wear does not occur in cosmoline storage direct from new manufature:
Obvious indication of poor sanding job-- also not a trait associated with original manufacture:
Splotchy finish. Two distinct shades of stock finish is a clear indication of a quick, pre-export makeover:
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Marstar's facebook posting from 2010 on these sks's. Call them what you will, I don't care.
There were apparently 70,000, and they sold in Canada for dirt cheap. Looking just like these.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.126714247355629
There were apparently 70,000, and they sold in Canada for dirt cheap. Looking just like these.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.126714247355629
2 crates of pretty guns = 70,000 unissued, all original, un-fired, non-refurbs, you say?
Yeah, Nope.
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NO that is not what he said don't be an A$$. You are beginning to sound like that retarded President you guys are stuck with. I don't have a dog in this show except for the fact I passed on these guns when I knew at the time I should have bought one.
Just because you folks could not buy them does not mean they did not exist. Are you aware that Canada produced the Inglis 9MM, a version of the P35 FN Hi-Power in 1944/45. To this day there are unfired examples in store with the Cdn Army. During our involvement in the Afghanistan/Iraq conflicts some of the unfired, unissued pistols were issued to our soldiers. You can come up with some explanation as to why they still exist but they do.
In a country with a population as large as it is with a huge standing army why would you not expect cases of unissued rifles not to exist in China? It boggles my mine that you seem to be so set on your opinion when in fact you don't not sh@t what you are talking about. When were you in China last?
Take Care
Bob
Thanks for the FB link to the Marstar "un-issued, all originals"
If you're such an expert on the Chinese sks, why are there no barrel-to-receiver index number pairs on the receivers in the FB pictures? FYI: Indexing numbers are s.o.p. on all of the threaded Chinese receivers. (But, of course, you already knew this because of your vast knowledge of the type56.)
Standard indexing numbers for type56 threaded barrel:
Marstar FB photo of "all original" with NO indexing number:
Marstar FB photo of another "all original" with NO index number and blatant evidence of deformed receiver flat being scrubbed on a polishing wheel (see arrow). :
What reasons would you give for polishing prior to export? hmmmm?
If you're such an expert on the Chinese sks, why are there no barrel-to-receiver index number pairs on the receivers in the FB pictures? FYI: Indexing numbers are s.o.p. on all of the threaded Chinese receivers. (But, of course, you already knew this because of your vast knowledge of the type56.)
Standard indexing numbers for type56 threaded barrel:
Marstar FB photo of "all original" with NO indexing number:
Marstar FB photo of another "all original" with NO index number and blatant evidence of deformed receiver flat being scrubbed on a polishing wheel (see arrow). :
What reasons would you give for polishing prior to export? hmmmm?
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Well, at least we agree on something.
Hopefully, we won't be stuck with him for much longer.
Another indication that the Marstar guns were prepped and cosmo-dipped just prior to export is the out-of-sequence order of the crated carbines. In the facebook photos they show us a 15th and 16th year carbines side-by-side in the same crate.
1509703 (15th year/1970) and 1610371 (16th year/1971)
side by side in the crate:
Collected serial number data for this arsenal -- /256\ formerly /625\-- indicates that it was capable of producing at least 20,000 carbines per year. That would mean that the two rifles in the FB photos were produced one year apart. As such, it is virtually impossible that they would have ended up side-by-side in the same crate if they were cosmo-dipped and crated as unissued, new production carbines directly after manufacture.
While we might expect to see out-of-sequence carbines from the same year in the same crate, side-by-side rifles from separate years of production is a clear indication that the Marstar guns were had not spent four decades in storage since D.O.M.
They were collected, polished and cleaned for sale, and then cosmo-dipped, and crated out of sequence just prior to export in 2010.
1509703 (15th year/1970) and 1610371 (16th year/1971)
side by side in the crate:
Collected serial number data for this arsenal -- /256\ formerly /625\-- indicates that it was capable of producing at least 20,000 carbines per year. That would mean that the two rifles in the FB photos were produced one year apart. As such, it is virtually impossible that they would have ended up side-by-side in the same crate if they were cosmo-dipped and crated as unissued, new production carbines directly after manufacture.
While we might expect to see out-of-sequence carbines from the same year in the same crate, side-by-side rifles from separate years of production is a clear indication that the Marstar guns were had not spent four decades in storage since D.O.M.
They were collected, polished and cleaned for sale, and then cosmo-dipped, and crated out of sequence just prior to export in 2010.
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Another indication that the Marstar guns were prepped and cosmo-dipped just prior to export is the out-of-sequence order of the crated carbines. In the facebook photos they show us a 15th and 16th year carbines side-by-side in the same crate.
1509703 (15th year/1970) and 1610371 (16th year/1971)
side by side in the crate:
Collected serial number data for this arsenal -- /256\ formerly /625\-- indicates that it was capable of producing at least 20,000 carbines per year. That would mean that the two rifles in the FB photos were produced one year apart. As such, it is virtually impossible that they would have ended up side-by-side in the same crate if they were cosmo-dipped and crated as unissued, new production carbines directly after manufacture.
While we might expect to see out-of-sequence carbines from the same year in the same crate, side-by-side rifles from separate years of production is a clear indication that the Marstar guns were had not spent four decades in storage since D.O.M.
They were collected, polished and cleaned for sale, and then cosmo-dipped, and crated out of sequence just prior to export in 2010.
Who the f@ck are you anyway? You do realize mags had to be pinned prior to import right? And who would take the time to re-organize after pinning? Since you claim to be an expert out of where? PA? Haha...
"anyway shoot your sks ..." THIS
Lots of busy bodies down that way huh? Must be a shame you cant come up here and rape our waters and woods...
North
And this might actually matter if not for the fact that the Marstar Type56's weren't shipped in wooden crates:
In wooden crates is how they arrived at the prep facility straight from the "factory". But they were shipped to Canada in cardboard boxes. To save on weight and costs, and also to ship larger quantities, they most likely arrived in oversized, re-inforced cardboard boxes, similar to many of the US shipments of the last decade.
I gather you're not much of a stickler for details. Well, I am.
"Just the facts, ma'am."
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And this might actually matter if not for the fact that the Marstar Type56's weren't shipped in wooden crates:
In wooden crates is how they arrived at the prep facility straight from the "factory". But they were shipped to Canada in cardboard boxes. To save on weight and costs, and also to ship larger quantities, they most likely arrived in oversized, re-inforced cardboard boxes, similar to many of the US shipments of the last decade.
I gather you're not much of a stickler for details. Well, I am.
"Just the facts, ma'am."
I can see you wont let this go, how does this have any impact on you? Do you have any or plan to get any of these rifles? I dont give a rats azz what you say, i know what i have, as verified by actual experts in the industry; not importers, exporters, distributors, sellers, or some rando internet dude from PA? Especially one that appears to have to no hand in the matter, aside from arrogantly waltzing onto this thread claiming to be the subject matter expert, but when asked for credentials its crickets... ya bud real cool. Stay off of google and wikipedia. Here's a fact for you, you dont have all the facts and need to carry on because the op found his answer so take your troll mentality back to PA.
This thread should have been locked before your azz got here.
North
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