My 22 shoots 1/2" groups at 50 yards/meters all day! Really? Prove it!

Bring the V22S to the range on a relatively quiet Sunday morning without crazy wins for once.

some might recognize this Rifle was sold to me by a great CGN member @Gillis2

Rifle: Vudoo V22s with Kukri barrel profile and Flavio fare trigger sitting in a Mc Millan Ligh/med benchrest
Scope: SIghtron SIII 10-50X60mm FCH
Ammo: Lapua Center X
Front rest: bald eagle cast iron
Rear bag: Protektor

Group Shot at 50 meters
Average 0.253''
Group size :.250 - .2445 - .249 - .3595 - .162
Temperature was about 19C

img_7610.jpg

img_7611.jpg

img_7612.jpg

Nice shooting and nice rifle. I've been debating on making the jump to a vudoo.
 
Bring the V22S to the range on a relatively quiet Sunday morning without crazy wins for once.

some might recognize this Rifle was sold to me by a great CGN member @Gillis2

Rifle: Vudoo V22s with Kukri barrel profile and Flavio fare trigger sitting in a Mc Millan Ligh/med benchrest
Scope: SIghtron SIII 10-50X60mm FCH
Ammo: Lapua Center X
Front rest: bald eagle cast iron
Rear bag: Protektor

Group Shot at 50 meters
Average 0.253''
Group size :.250 - .2445 - .249 - .3595 - .162
Temperature was about 19C

img_7610.jpg

img_7611.jpg

img_7612.jpg

Beautiful & accurate rifle. Shooter did a good job too.
 
Bring the V22S to the range on a relatively quiet Sunday morning without crazy wins for once.

some might recognize this Rifle was sold to me by a great CGN member @Gillis2

Rifle: Vudoo V22s with Kukri barrel profile and Flavio fare trigger sitting in a Mc Millan Ligh/med benchrest
Scope: SIghtron SIII 10-50X60mm FCH
Ammo: Lapua Center X
Front rest: bald eagle cast iron
Rear bag: Protektor

Group Shot at 50 meters
Average 0.253''
Group size :.250 - .2445 - .249 - .3595 - .162
Temperature was about 19C

img_7610.jpg

img_7611.jpg

img_7612.jpg

Great shooting, I added you to the successful list.
 
Amazing rifle help the shooter for sure. smoothest action I ever add I really like it. I know there is a limited qty so far in the country less than 20. Flavio fare Trigger 0.7 oz is one of a kind. This rifle have probably all needed to be in 1/4''club but shooter still have way to go.

thanks
sigp226


Well done, sigp226. Those results are very good indeed. That's the third Vudoo to meet the challenge and the first V22S. There can't be many of those models in the country.
 
Great shooting JF. Sure glad you enjoy the rifle. Those who know me will not be surprised to know that after selling you the V22S, I bought another one. BAd case of sellers remorse.
Yours is a beauty in that stock and you sure know how to shoot it...
Gilbert
 
Those who know me will not be surprised to know that after selling you the V22S, I bought another one.
Gilbert

LOL...Gilbert, I was going to PM you to see why you had parted with that rifle - I should have guessed!!!! Mine is still languishing at the importer's in Melbourne - The trigger is in transit somewhere!!!!
 
Yes Allan. Another impulse sale that I regreted and bought another one. Will I ever learn ? Good thing is that now my friend JF also has a great rifle. Everybody is happy. Another happy ending.
Gilbert
 
That is an incredible result - great work! I would be happy over improving over my 6 inch groups today this afternoon... My son (new to shooting .22s) was shooting 2-3 inch groups. I think I need to return my PAL card.
 
Theirs some incredible shots in here!! I’m a new guy in the rimfire game, always owned a brno or two but never did get into targets, until now. I picked this up off the e&e this week, and finally got to the range yesterday. I can foresee my othervrifkes collecting some dust in the near future.

Rifle- CZ VPT with an IBI 21” barrel
Scope- Bushnell AR 4.5-18
Ammo- lapua X-act
Distance- 50M
Rest- a rear shooting bag and a make shift front sand bag
Outdoor range light breeze

.208
.316
.261
.246
.216

Avg group .249

I think I have everything in there that’s required.



 
That's nice shooting. Are you sure about the measurements?

Thank you. I think I did it right? Extreme spread minus the bullet diameter? If I am wrong please let me know. Iv never subtracted my bullet, but looked like that’s how people had been measuring their groups in here?
 
Thank you. I think I did it right? Extreme spread minus the bullet diameter? If I am wrong please let me know. Iv never subtracted my bullet, but looked like that’s how people had been measuring their groups in here?

That's essentially how it's done. But sometimes there are a few "complications" that must be taken into account. If you've done what's described immediately below, then that's good.

Depending on the paper used for the target, the actual bullet hole on the target may be smaller than the bullet's diameter. Measuring the outside width of the group using the outside edge of the holes in the paper doesn't produce the correct measurement. To obtain the outside-to-outside measurement it's necessary to include the grey coloured smear or smudge from the lead bullet. If there is no smear visible, it would be appropriate to deduct the diameter of an actual bullet hole in the paper used.



A lot of shooters on this thread use .22" as the size to deduct and that need not be an issue. I use it myself, although I shoot at 57 yards, which is my club range's version of 50.

When any group is sufficiently wide to have room for three bullet holes side-by-side there is a minimum diameter to such a group. If the figure being deducted is .22", such a group would have to be at least .44". On your target, see, for example, the group in the middle and on the bottom left. When two side-by-side bullet holes are far enough apart to have paper between them, such as the group on the bottom right, the group they are in can never be less than .22" if .22" or more is used as the bullet diameter to deduct from the outside size.

 
^ ^ ^ ^ ^. Excellent.
While the topic has been discussed before it is one that needs repeating . . . like a repeater!
I have seen bullet holes measured as low as 0.189".
Quality target paper can be bought at Staples . . . 65 and 100 pound Index Card Stock.
Using 20 pound printing paper is only one step above toilet tissue . . . No $41t!
From our 100 Metre shoot this morning: 10/22 - 0.218; Cooper 0.215; Remington 40XB - 0.199". The Remington has a Lilja barrel.
 
Here is todays shooting. This is the best of 6 targets that would have made the cut today but there were a few attempts today that didn't make the cut (shot 10 targets of 5x5)

Rifle: Anschutz 1903 MSR
Ammunition: Lapua Center X
Distance: 50 yards
Groups
0.250"
0.250"
0.329"
0.332"
0.338"
Average 0.300"






HAd to redo the picture of my largest group as I had a claim that I wasn't going smear to smear. So updated it for them.
 
Last edited:
That's essentially how it's done. But sometimes there are a few "complications" that must be taken into account. If you've done what's described immediately below, then that's good.

Depending on the paper used for the target, the actual bullet hole on the target may be smaller than the bullet's diameter. Measuring the outside width of the group using the outside edge of the holes in the paper doesn't produce the correct measurement. To obtain the outside-to-outside measurement it's necessary to include the grey coloured smear or smudge from the lead bullet. If there is no smear visible, it would be appropriate to deduct the diameter of an actual bullet hole in the paper used.



A lot of shooters on this thread use .22" as the size to deduct and that need not be an issue. I use it myself, although I shoot at 57 yards, which is my club range's version of 50.

When any group is sufficiently wide to have room for three bullet holes side-by-side there is a minimum diameter to such a group. If the figure being deducted is .22", such a group would have to be at least .44". On your target, see, for example, the group in the middle and on the bottom left. When two side-by-side bullet holes are far enough apart to have paper between them, such as the group on the bottom right, the group they are in can never be less than .22" if .22" or more is used as the bullet diameter to deduct from the outside size.


Thank you for taking the time to explain this I really appreciate it!! Looking now, you make total sense.

I’m pretty confident I can tighten these up to ragged 1 holes with a proper rest and target scope (which is in the works). I will be back!! Lol, with some different paper as well. The way you explain it, it pretty tough to get an accurate measurement from the loose leaf paper I used, as it tends to tear a bit around the hole, rather then the nice clean grey circle.

Thank you again, and keep up the fine shooting gents!
 
Seeing pics like the above with 0.338" on the caliper, it looks to me that he is measuring 'inside' both edges of the 'smear'. It would probably still be under the 1/2", but just barely. Grauhanen also indicates he uses 0.24 for bullet diameter, but I've seen higher and lower figures used in other calcs on this thread. One issue with the 'gray smear' technique is that with 'light paper weights' the tear around the hole may have folded 'in' and the smear is actually way-larger than the 0.24".
One final thought - it would be good to have a similar thread with only Factory rifles or even Cost categories. I'm a fair shot but I don't have $2000 to spend on a rifle OR $20/box of ammo so most of these threads are only good for gleaning 'tips' - not possible outcomes in my life.
EDIT - I mis-read Grauhanen's diameter in his earlier post - It's 0.22", NOT 0.24" - I feel this thread (and others) should have a standard to be used for measuring groups. Note Decker's issue with paper, posted as I wrote the above.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom