My 22 shoots 1/2" groups at 50 yards/meters all day! Really? Prove it!

Went to the range last weekend with my CZ 452 American.

Its a great shooter but I failed the challenge.

It wear a Leupold VXII scope ( 3-9X33 EFR ). Its a great scope but I'm sure I can do better with a higher magnification scope.

What you guys think ? Try with more powerfull optic ?
I already tried many brands of ammo. It likes SK std and Eley Club.

3/4 dots on target
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On another note...

My girlfriend is a new shooter ( and she's pretty good ).

I want to show you guys, one of her attempt.
The biggest group is sooo close to .500 that as a machinist, I would call it .499.
I usualy measure the groups center to center ( with my machinist eye ) but this one is so close to 1/2 that I had no choice but to measure the outside of the holes.

I want to know what you guys think, if its a valid entry or not.

If you tell me its good to go, she will post it here with her profile and with all the infos/requirements.

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The rifle is probably quite capable of the challenge, but the fact that it's light weight, paired with a lower power scope isn't helping your cause. It doesn't take much pressure to throw a shot wild enough to be outside the group size you need.

I have a 452 Varmint that's a nail driver. It often turns in 5 shot groups under .5" at 50, but I'm not consistent enough to get 25 shots downrange without throwing a couple in the process. I've had a few 50 yd targets that would probably qualify using the CZ, but didn't bother submitting them.
When you have a group that's .490"-.495", it leaves room for "interpretation" that I'm not interested in entertaining.

The 1407 that I did the challenge with is an entirely different creature. Much easier to shoot, seriously heavy. This is what it was meant to do, produce small groups reliably with minimal effort on the shooter's part.

I'm no great wizard as a shooter, and the Anschutz makes easy work of a contest like this. The 1/4" club would be a good challenge for it in the hands of a better shooter. It's turned in groups under .25", but never 5 in a row under my guidance.

For your 452 American, you could try more magnification, if you have another scope that would suit. You can't hit what you can't see.

Or, if you don't have another higher-magnification scope already, why not just enjoy the rifle for what it's meant to be?
A light weight, easy carrying, accurate rifle is a joy to use, plus the CZ is really easy on the eyes.
I sold a 455 American with gorgeous tiger striped wood a couple years ago, some days I wish I had it back.
I'll let us get back on topic now ;)
 
That group looks good to me, Ben. I believe that if a shot cannot be visibly determined to be "out" in terms of a scored target, then the benefit of the doubt goes to the shooter.
 
The biggest group is sooo close to .500 that as a machinist, I would call it .499.
I usualy measure the groups center to center ( with my machinist eye ) but this one is so close to 1/2 that I had no choice but to measure the outside of the holes.

The reliable and preferred method is always to measure the outside dimensions, from the outer-most grey smudge or smear to the other.
 
What you guys think ? Try with more powerfull optic ?
I already tried many brands of ammo. It likes SK std and Eley Club.

It's doable with a 9x scope, I've done it. The right target to help your reticle alignment can make a difference, PM your email and I can send you my design. I'm sure you've seen it, thick outer diamonds with thinner vertical and horizontal center lines. I'd also make a few adjustments to your setup. Use a narrow front bag that is snug on the forestock, there's enough wiggle room in the one pictured to allow the stock to rock and send your shots sideways. I'd also position the front rest just ahead of the magwell, where you've got it can contribute to a spring board effect, possibly explaining some of the vertical. Lastly, use your left hand and pull the forestock straight down onto the rest with firm pressure.
 
Just blowing up your pic of the single bullet hole, it looks like there could be a few more thous of 'smear' and your other pic leaves you only .0005 'over'. I 'ignore' the 4th place on my $15 C-T caliper.
And I have a 6-25x50 FFP scope on my B22, about $155 more than the gun. I don't think there is too much mag for targets, until your heartbeat gets in the way.
 
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The reliable and preferred method is always to measure the outside dimensions, from the outer-most grey smudge or smear to the other.

I use many types of paper/cardboard for my targets.
For a unknown reason, the holes diameter varies from one type of paper to another.
That’s why I measure my groups from center to center.

It's doable with a 9x scope, I've done it. The right target to help your reticle alignment can make a difference, PM your email and I can send you my design. I'm sure you've seen it, thick outer diamonds with thinner vertical and horizontal center lines. I'd also make a few adjustments to your setup. Use a narrow front bag that is snug on the forestock, there's enough wiggle room in the one pictured to allow the stock to rock and send your shots sideways. I'd also position the front rest just ahead of the magwell, where you've got it can contribute to a spring board effect, possibly explaining some of the vertical. Lastly, use your left hand and pull the forestock straight down onto the rest with firm pressure.

Thanks for the advices.
PM sent
 
Finally got out to shoot and try this challenge again with my new Vudoo 360. Having a kid really takes up any free time you have. I was mostly doing testing out to 200-300 yards to confirm my dope but ended with this 50 target. Pulled one shot trying to hurry and beat the sunset.

Group sizes -.235, .227, .459 , .307 & .294.
Average - .304
Bullet hole dia. - .22
Largest group - .459
47 yards outdoors
SK Rifle Match
Vudoo360 in MDT ACC chassis
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I've got a Mark II here which should make it about 6 - I'll dig it out and have a go!

I managed to shoot a 6X5 with my Mark 2 yesterday - Images attached.
Group sizes -228, 325, 302,336, 176 & 279.
Average - 274
Bullet hole dia. - 211
Largest group - 336
50 metres outdoors
SK Pistol Match Special

Action is in an MDT chassis, Modified Rifle Basix trigger, Match chambered Australian Maddco .920 straight stainless barrel threaded into receiver. Weaver 6-24 set at 20X.

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I managed to shoot a 6X5 with my Mark 2 yesterday - Images attached.
Group sizes -228, 325, 302,336, 176 & 279.
Average - 274
Bullet hole dia. - 211
Largest group - 336
50 metres outdoors
SK Pistol Match Special

Action is in an MDT chassis, Modified Rifle Basix trigger, Match chambered Australian Maddco .920 straight stainless barrel threaded into receiver. Weaver 6-24 set at 20X.

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Nice shooting. I added you to the successful list
 
Finally got out to shoot and try this challenge again with my new Vudoo 360. Having a kid really takes up any free time you have. I was mostly doing testing out to 200-300 yards to confirm my dope but ended with this 50 target. Pulled one shot trying to hurry and beat the sunset.

Group sizes -.235, .227, .459 , .307 & .294.
Average - .304
Bullet hole dia. - .22
Largest group - .459
47 yards outdoors
SK Rifle Match
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Nice shooting. Awesome rifle. I added you to the successful list.
 
I managed to shoot a 6X5 with my Mark 2 yesterday - Images attached.
Group sizes -228, 325, 302,336, 176 & 279.
Average - 274
Bullet hole dia. - 211
Largest group - 336
50 metres outdoors
SK Pistol Match Special

Action is in an MDT chassis, Modified Rifle Basix trigger, Match chambered Australian Maddco .920 straight stainless barrel threaded into receiver. Weaver 6-24 set at 20X.

Does that make the bolt the only original and unmodified part of that Savage? ;)
 
You're nearly correct...I think the serial number is the only original part...BUT...It's still a Savage!!!!!

Well, it does make a fine rifle of Theseus! Has there been any modification done to the bolt, or is it a straight swap from another Savage? I assume the receiver's had some work done if your new barrel is threaded in rather than pinned.
 
Well, it does make a fine rifle of Theseus! Has there been any modification done to the bolt, or is it a straight swap from another Savage? I assume the receiver's had some work done if your new barrel is threaded in rather than pinned.

The bolt face was trued when the barrel was fitted. All bolt parts have been polished, FP nose has been re-profiled (similiar to Anschutz 54 strike). I finally settled on a lighter FP spring which gives reliable ignition with a bit less vibration. You might like to have a look at the attached link. I built this rifle to prove that a cheapie could run with the big boys and it has done that in spades. I don't plan to sell it so the cost factor is of no concern to me.
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=507334
 
I've been shooting at 100 for a couple weeks and a prolonged period of calm days has been appreciated. I decided to return today, another calm, humid, and very warm day, to another attempt what's been proving to be an elusive goal, the 1/4" club. This morning I had three five group targets where four of the groups on each were under .25", with a fifth spoiling the overall result by being over .25". One was a little better. It's taken a while to achieve five consecutive groups under 1/4" each.

The targets, including the one below, were shot at 57 yards.





Left to right, .230", .182", .206", .248", .152". The five group average was .204".

The rifle is an Anschutz 1913 BR 50. The scope is a Sightron SIII 10-50.

 
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