Semi-Sten: CFC AND RCMP approved and Home at Last

hedgehog said:
wait till the wife shes how dirty that towel is lol.
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Claven2 said:
Towel? That looks like a ladies bathrobe!!! You are in SERIOUS doo-doo ;)
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Weapontech said:
Hey, that's not a towel.....that's her bathrobe!! Ooooo, you're in trouble now!! :p
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Relax....even I am not that dumb. Well, actually I am, but not this time. It came from the rag can out in the garage.

As Tiraq mentioned, there are photos on the SAS-3 site of the semi bolt. Note that those photos have not been updated to the new full circle hammer, which is a great improvement.
The main differences between the semi bolt and the normal full auto bolt are:
-Semi bolt is a smaller diameter. This prevents a regular full auto bolt from fitting into the receiver.
-The cocking handle is on a different plane. This is to prevent a full auto bolt from being turned down and used in the receiver.
-Semi bolt fires from the closed position.
-Semi bolt has no feedhorns. If the hammer follows the bolt home, the new round will jam on the firing pin rather than firing like an origional.

These were all design features built in to make the BATF happy in the US. I have no doubt they helped make this acceptable to the registrar lab.
 
Given how easy it is to to late out sten bolts, I wonder if it would be worthwhile to make a similar SAS-3 kit in Canada that is different enough not to infringe patents?
 
There might not be anything that could be patented. Don't know if there is any particular feature that would qualify as new, original, an improvement, etc.
Having looked at the photos on the SAS website, and Stencollector's photos with the new cylindrical hammer in place, I don't think it would be too difficult to reverse engineer and make a functionally similar bolt mechanism.
 
Another option would be to have a small manufacturer work out a license agreement with the guy who owns the company in the US now. The same manufacturer could maybe make/supply the 3" of round tube, and the 3" of rectangular tube required to make the magwell, and sell those as raw components.
I had some emailing back and forth with the US manufacturer....he is a very nice fellow, and will go out of his way to make his customers happy (within the US export regulations of course).
 
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Unless the design is patented in Canada, a US patent would have no jurisdiction north of the 49th parallel.

On top of that a patent only conveys legal protection on a design. It would be up to the patent holder to file a legal case and fight it. That is not worthwhile unless the patent is being violated on a large scale. One-off infringements would be highly unlikely to be the focus of a legal action.

So morals aside, anyone would be pretty free to rip off the SAS design with impunity.
 
I wonder if Qustar or Canadammo could bring in a number of SAS-3 kits to lower the price of importing them individually? There appears to be a market.
 
Claven2 said:
I wonder if Qustar or Canadammo could bring in a number of SAS-3 kits to lower the price of importing them individually? There appears to be a market.
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If this thread is any gage there certainly is the interest. With over 9000 views, that makes it the second most looked at thread in the milsurps for all time, and still going.

Still waiting for the reg cert to show up, from which I can get the FRT #. Maybe once that is available, an importer will be more receptive to importing the semi auto kit.
 
stencollector said:
If this thread is any gage there certainly is the interest. With over 9000 views, that makes it the second most looked at thread in the milsurps for all time, and still going
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x1 agreed, and having someone import SAS3 kits would be great. It would be nice to secure a number of Sten kits as well.......too bad they're so hard to get now. I wish I had bought 20 way back when.
 
The MkIII kits are all over the place in the USA. Anyone getting SAS3 kits could also bring in MkIII parts sets minus the bolt body and mag well. No problem at all. In fact, the SAS3 manufacturer also offers kits ;)

Barrels are also sold on gunbroker and htey do ship to Canada. About $50 for a brand new bbl.
 
Just to muddy the water - the Mk. II magazine housing has been deemed to constitute the receiver of a Mk. II Sten. It is a separate piece that can be detached from the carbine. The magazine well from a Mk. III is welded to the main casing. Cut it loose, as in a parts kit, and could it be considered to be the receiver? In a Mk. III gun, would not the entire (welded together) main casing assembly with magazine well attached be the receiver?
It would be a matter of interpretation, of course, but IF this were accepted, then a SAS kit, plus one of their Mk. III kits, less the stripped bolt, should be importable as a set.
Of course, the CBSA may make its own rules and interpretation, independent of the RCMP position.
 
Suputin said:
Which, as a result of the RCMP's stupidity on this issue, means every single Sten dewat in the country is actually an unregistered prohibited weapon. Because none of their magwells have been altered in any way.
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Well, in reality, if the dewat is done properly, it should not be readily removable anyhow, unless you cut the receiver tube to slide it off - which nobody will do to a nice dewat, generally.

I think that what the RCMP would likely determine is that you would not be allower to import either the MkIII mag well OR the Receiver tube. Either way, this is no biggie since we know we have to manufacture a new mag well anyhow, and the SAS3 kit INCLUDES a new receiver tube. In fact, if anything, a MkIII kit should be EASIER to put together than a MkII kit as the mag well is easier to manufacture and attach.
 
I would doubt it. SAS didn't make the gun, Stencollector did. The origin of the parts used would be irrelevant to the legal status of the firearm and the FRT number assigned to this particular commercial version. This situation has no relationship whatsoever to cobbling together an AK kit and stamping "Valmet" on it. (Which is of questionable legality and contrary to CGN rules).
 
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