Update On Ontario Restricted Transfer Times
- Thread starter pygmalion2020
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I think there's one in the sfrc auction but it's 10mm
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1northernboy
CGN Regular
- Location
- GTA Ontario
Are these reference numbers Ontario residents? Mine is 5937###, still not approved, I'm hoping it goes a bit faster
machohugeaxe
Regular
- Location
- Peel Region, Ontario
Gezuix, mine is around 6007###, I think the Easter bunny is bringing it to me!!!
If you mean 2024, then probably yes.
1northernboy
CGN Regular
- Location
- GTA Ontario
If the CFO office in Ontario is controlled by the OPP, then why aren't we writing complaints to the OPP Commissioner? Maybe if enough of us suggest to batch our transfers to efficiently speed up the process (like the other provinces), we may get our approvals faster!!!
Well you could just write to the opp instead of exasperating in cgn
personally, I think if the premiere doesn't look into it, the bureaucrats won't lift a finger to change.
I keep seeing references to batches and i just dont see how this will work or speed things up
a transfer involves verifying information related to 1) the seller 2) the gun 3) the buyer
so you could "batch" it along those lines..."today is Wolverine day...we will process all transfer they initiated" or "today is Glock day, we will batch all Glock purchases" or as you are suggesting "today is Licencee ### day"
so let's say i purchased 1 gun between June 1 and June 20 and you purchased 10 from 10 different retailers across multiple provinces. Now how long will your "batch" of 10 take to process? And then what? they do all 9 then all 8 then all 7 till they get down to single purchases? you should get all 10 of yours (including ones you purchased after mine) before i get my 1? how much longer should i have to wait because i only purchased 1? Or what if they go the other way and do all single purchases then do batches of 2 then batches of 3 etc?
5### is probably a week or two out if they are doing 75 per day. I was fairly early in the 4### lot.
You're missing the gist. When they validate your rpal and decide you can have a handgun, if you have 4 or 5 transfers waiting, they approve them all at once and move on to the next person in line. The seller is not validated as part of a transfer process, the CFC does that when you get a reference number. That's not the cfo role.
Only if they were all purchased at the same time. I have had several waiting approval since mid June an they only approved 1 (the first one) last week.
No i understand the gist.
My understanding of the process, based on a post on another forum is:
The CFP
- Verifies the address of the buyer and seller
- Verifies licence status of buyer and seller
- Queries FRT to verify info about the gun (e.g. that it is not prohibited)
- Queries the registry to trace the origin of the gun (e.g. that it is not lost or stolen)
- Submits the application to the CFO for approval
- Verifies the buyer is a club member in good standing (in most provinces)
- Approves the transfer
- Update the registry
- Send notification to the buyer and seller
- Send reg cert to the buyer
- Issue STATT
- Issue LTATT
so once again the suggestion is to batch by buyer....and again i raise the issues i mentioned earlier. If you bought 5 guns before me and 5 after me, a "batch" transaction (assuming it can even be done) would mean you get all 10 of yours before i get my 1...and even though processing your 1 batch may be faster than doing it 10 individual times, it will still take longer than a single transaction
but again, is it even possible? since the CFO needs info from the CFP for each transaction, what if the CFP has only processed 5 out of your 10 purchases? how can the CFO then batch them?
But once the transfer number is initiated by the (CFP) Canadian Firearms Program, it is in the hands of the (CFO) Chief Firearms Officer of the province of residence, so the CFO should be able to see all the transfer numbers assigned to the licensee and do the STATT (Short Term Authorization to Transfer) as one once any red or yellow flags are cleared. Also for Ontario they do not need to check club membership. From other posts it has been done before I believe.
You’re missing the point on more than a few things on your rebuttal. What’s a STATT and a LTATT you speak of? No such thing in the abbreviation list. You’re ATT is on your condition list that came with your PAL. No need for an separate ATT to pick it up at the PO or gun shop. That’s already covered in your conditions.
I’d Bloggin’s gets his 10 transfers done before you, it does help because the next 4 that we’re in front of you are already done speeding things along.
Will all this really speed things along? Certainly not but if they really gave a ####, it would help but unfortunately they don’t.
machohugeaxe
Regular
- Location
- Peel Region, Ontario
Yea it might not help too much because we don't know what takes so long on each transfer. If the bulk of the time is not spent on verification but spent on creation of new registration papers for example, doing 10 registration papers for 1 person might not speed things up too much. Either way, feels like we're stuck with what we got because no politician will stick out their neck to SPEED UP guns getting into hands of people, there's just no reward in it and a huge risk politically.
Outlawpilots
CGN Regular
- Location
- Niagara, ON
This process reminds me how ridiculous the attack on LEGAL gun owners is! By comparison, here's the alternative process:
* Gangbanger A gives gangbanger B money
* Gangbanger B gives gangbanger A gun
* Gangbanger A sticks gun in underwear
* Gangbanger A freely carries and uses gun unopposed at their (reckless) discretion!
Yeah, WE'RE the problem!
