Christmas Sale GNG Carcano Moschetto

Poor thing looks like it was beaten with a chain. Glad she has a good bore.

As bad as the wood looks, she's smoothed out a bit with some Lee Valley naturally polymerized linseed oil and beswax paste applied with steel wool.

It will never win any beauty contests, but it's smooth enough in hand and seems to operate reliably for the 50 rounds I have through it so far.

Also, bear in mind that the photos you copied are pretty close up, magnified to larger than life. The full length shots of the rifle look better, and are representative of how it actually looks in hand.
 
Well they left me a delivery card today, no attempt to deliver the parcel, I was home all day. Now will have to wait until the evening for the local PO to receive the package so I can go pick it up. Sigh.
 
Well they left me a delivery card today, no attempt to deliver the parcel, I was home all day. Now will have to wait until the evening for the local PO to receive the package so I can go pick it up. Sigh.

My CP shipping details say specifically 'Card for Pickup', 'Signature Required'
 
Well they left me a delivery card today, no attempt to deliver the parcel, I was home all day. Now will have to wait until the evening for the local PO to receive the package so I can go pick it up. Sigh.

yup since covid they don't even try to deliver they leave a card that's it
 
yup since covid they don't even try to deliver they leave a card that's it

They don't leave a card either. I filed a formal complaint on the driver today. Was notified that one of my shipments was sent in for destruction because I didn't pick it up. (Not gun related). He didn't leave a card on 2 different dates.
I beleive I caught it just in time. Story is more complicated then that but thats the jist of it.
 
Well I got my second gun from the Christmas sale. Have to admit I'm disappointed and am thinking people who ordered elsewhere or not at all may have dodged a bullet?

For starters, I did ask for 3 things in my order: 1) a low date, 2) a decent stock and 3) NOT a Brescia because I already had one.

I got a very rusty low-ish date (1918), a cracked, chipped and non-matching stock that looks to have been recently swapped (dealer?), and it's A Brescia (FFS!). Also, the boor is dark, pitted, worn - I'd say poor to fair, at best.

What I learned: 1) GNG rifles are NOT "inspected" as claimed. 2) don't trust them to select anything you ask for - I PM'd the dealer with what I wanted, they said "sure", and then didn't send me something that matched what I asked for. 3) "good" with this import batch really means "fair to poor" - or at least it does for what's left.

Photos for the curious:

Overall (good from far, far from good) - notice the buttstock is cracked. It goes half way through, not all the way to the other side:
AM8TGoC.jpg


The state of rustiness on the metal "good condition"?:
37gGJtD.jpg

sCrboSP.jpg


Notice the band screw is not installed. This is relevant, because the band screw was just lightly inserted in the hole on the reverse side of the stock, not screwed in, and fell out when I took the rifle out of the package. Meaning the stock was recently changed on the rifle and whoever did it could not be bothered to screw the screw back in place. The "grunge/dirt line" where the metal meets the wood also does not match this stock, so this stock is a recent addition to the rifle. Makes me wonder if the dealer (or distributor, or importer, or?) scrapped 2 bad rifles to make one that was sellable - can't say I have hard evidence of that, but this mismatched stock was 100% recently replaced and not fully re-assembled.

bP1oYJE.jpg


Markings faint, but not matching serial number and no refurb cartouche. Makes it very likely this stock was on another rifle until very recently.

pWrCes0.jpg


A Brescia - the one manufacturer I asked they NOT send me - lol.

mka58pH.jpg


chunk missing out of the stock right where you grip rests:

ibSUvUw.jpg


Someone's name carved into the stock.

R9Fo0Ov.jpg


So... basically my first rifle is rather superior to this one. Sadly.

I've got the bore soaking - it's badly fouled, but if it doesn't clean up, this will be a parts rifle or wall hanger, I think. The bolt is period correct (color case hardened WW1 era bolt, but wrong manufacturer (Terni) in case anyone was curious.
 
Not especially great luck on the first attempt considering how beat the stock was but yeah, I would definitely say you got the short end of the stick with the second order. I browse GNG a fair amount but haven't bought anything from them, the condition of this second rifle compared to what they advertised is definitely something I am going to keep in mind if I ever do order from them. I had considered buying a Carcano from them awhile ago, I'm definitely happy I decided against it and bought privately. It's always a bit of a gamble buying guns sight unseen from a generic batch online, I am personally am more than willing to put some extra money down in order to guarantee better condition/get a specific gun especially if its something I can handle before hand. I think I paid a bit over $400 after shipping for a 91/38 Calvary Carbine built in '41 by FNA-Brescia, although the condition of mine is leagues better than either of the examples you got.
 
I do have a bit of a soft spot for trench art/names and other carvings into milsurp as long as it isn't incredibly overbearing or obnoxious, it gives an individual rifle some additional character.
 
well I got most of the surface rust off. The bore is now clean, but still dark and pitted with some rifling wear towards the muzzle. All of that I can live with, but the swapped stock kills it for me.

I could NOT get the rifle to go back together the way it arrived (and neither could the Gaetan Bubba that swapped the stock on this gun). The front band, handguard and stock are all from different makers/rifles and had to be fitted. Took me a good 40 minutes to get it to the point the stock band screw would line up and go in - I had to use inletting black FFS. It was that off. Rear sight was also pretty bent up, had to disassemble it all and streighten all the parts in a vise, otherwise the long range sight was obscuring the battle sight view when flipped forward - at least that's sorted out now.

Not "good" condtion and not "inspected" per the ad copy.

I won't be shopping at GNG ever again, THIS RIFLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOLD AS A GUNSMITH SPECIAL. Caveat Emptor - that's honestly how I feel about them right now, as someone who used to restore milsurps for money and who literally owns a machine shop. The average buyer would have been hooped with this gun, it was unshootable they way it arrived.
 
Last edited:
well I got most of the surface rust off. The bore is now clean, but still dark and pitted with some rifling wear towards the muzzle. All of that I can live with, but the swapped stock kills it for me.

I could NOT get the rifle to go back together the way it arrived (and neither could the Gaetan Bubba that swapped the stock on this gun). The front band, handguard and stock are all from different makers/rifles and had to be fitted. Took me a good 40 minutes to get it to the point the stock band screw would line up and go in - I had to use inletting black FFS. It was that off. Rear sight was also pretty bent up, had to disassemble it all and streighten all the parts in a vise, otherwise the long range sight was obscuring the battle sight view when flipped forward - at least that's sorted out now.

Not "good" condtion and not "inspected" per the ad copy.

I won't be shopping at GNG ever again, THIS RIFLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOLD AS A GUNSMITH SPECIAL. Caveat Emptor - that's honestly how I feel about them right now, as someone who used to restore milsurps for money and who literally owns a machine shop. The average buyer would have been hooped with this gun, it was unshootable they way it arrived.

The rifles were listed as being in FAIR condition only. Pretty much what you received.

I'm quite surprised at your response. It's not like you at all.
 
The rifles were listed as being in FAIR condition only. Pretty much what you received.

I'm quite surprised at your response. It's not like you at all.

GNG lists them as good condition overall for the sale ones. Obviously doesn't seem to be the case, some have been what I could call good condition, Clavens recent one.... Not so much
 
The rifles were listed as being in FAIR condition only. Pretty much what you received.

I'm quite surprised at your response. It's not like you at all.

Go read the ad - it's still up. Good condition with good to very good bores. Inspected. I have the ad copy from the day I purchased pasted in post 1 of this thread.

Marstar listed some sale carcanos as fair. I did not order a marstar carcano.

I expected an assembled, working rifle. I got a pieced together, partially disassembled rifle not in functional condition out of the box. Would you call that truth in advertising?

Don't be so intellectually lazy, it's not like you.

Edit: GNG'as ad text from the sale reproduced here:

Good condition overall
Bores are usually good to very good
Mix of arsenals and years
Adjustable sight variant only
Minor surface rust possible
These are complete inspected guns

I would rate my bore on rifle no.2 is poor to fair. I would say it's 95% covered in rust that was not minor. See the photos, make up your own mind if I'm being fair or not. Even the inside of the bolt was rusted almost solid and needed significant cleanup. I had to soak some of the parts in evaporust to free them up. Overall condition is poor to fair, and it's a recently assembled parts rifle. Only matching parts are the receiver and barrel.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom