Drill + tap failure. Backwoods Outdoors Corbeil Ontario.

Jimbobob08 said:
I just left the business. Spoke to the son, not the guy who did the work. Son said his father suggested that a factory hornady load failed and the bullet was lodged in barrel, and I shot the stuck bullet. “Only way that type of damage happens”. I was sighting in my deer ammo and both bullets were on target. Saw my email, with pictures but did not respond. Will not address the lack of threads in holes. Says we don’t use epoxy. Stated I refuse to “just drop the rifle off” until concerns are addressed.

Not inspiring my confidence at this point. Hoping some sort of misunderstanding between father and son. Hopefully the business takes responsibility and steps up to make situation right.

Edit to add. I left my number, again.
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They're suggesting the rail fell off because of a stuck bullet? I am assuming there is no evidence of a stuck bullet such as a bulged barrel?

Sounds like they're gaslighting you, trying to make you think you are responsible not them. I'd demand a refund at this point and take it elsewhere to get it fixed.
 
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Yeah I was glad you didn't out them right away without giving them the chance to make it right..but after that response I'd tell us all who is it. They had their chance.

Edit, says stuck bullet but doesn't comment on the lack of threads in the " threaded" hole. That's a new one for me.
 
Jimbobob08 said:
I just left the business. Spoke to the son, not the guy who did the work. Son said his father suggested that a factory hornady load failed and the bullet was lodged in barrel, and I shot the stuck bullet. “Only way that type of damage happens”. I was sighting in my deer ammo and both bullets were on target. Saw my email, with pictures but did not respond. Will not address the lack of threads in holes. Says we don’t use epoxy. Stated I refuse to “just drop the rifle off” until concerns are addressed.

Not inspiring my confidence at this point. Hoping some sort of misunderstanding between father and son. Hopefully the business takes responsibility and steps up to make situation right.

Edit to add. I left my number, again.
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Brutal. Classic example of a stubborn old guy that thinks he knows everything, refusing to be told he's wrong. A squib that you shot out makes absolutely zero sense to explain what happened. After getting work done like that, and a response like that, I would NEVER go back to that place. Things happen sometimes (Though it's hard to excuse this hack job), it's how a business conducts themselves after the fact when they do that is very telling.
 
Scotty454 said:
Brutal. Classic example of a stubborn old guy that thinks he knows everything, refusing to be told he's wrong. A squib that you shot out makes absolutely zero sense to explain what happened. After getting work done like that, and a response like that, I would NEVER go back to that place. Things happen sometimes (Though it's hard to excuse this hack job), it's how a business conducts themselves after the fact when they do that is very telling.
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This. ####ing up is one thing. Mistakes happen, everyone has ####ed up before. It's how they handle a #### up that really shows you what kind of company they are, and these guys are showing us loud and clear...
 
You became the victim of a gang of yokels, who call themselves gunsmiths.

I guess we would all love to know who these yokels are.
 
Well - I'm not defending the shop. However, the base, as supplied by the OP, appears to be incorrect. The base was ordered from Rossi, so it should have the correct profile. OP has not responded as to the "fit". Perhaps it was meant to go in another location. Anybody got a similar Rossi with a correct mount?
 
But there are no threads in the holes..so even if the screws were too short due to the radius being wrong..the hole should be threaded and there shouldn't have been epoxy applied and no where near that much red loctite. Maybe a very small blob of blue per screw
 
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cosmic said:
Well - I'm not defending the shop. However, the base, as supplied by the OP, appears to be incorrect. The base was ordered from Rossi, so it should have the correct profile. OP has not responded as to the "fit". Perhaps it was meant to go in another location. Anybody got a similar Rossi with a correct mount?
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You'd think if it was wrong the shop wouldn't have installed it to begin with?... Of course, given the rest of the work, maybe not...
 
Suther said:
You'd think if it was wrong the shop wouldn't have installed it to begin with?... Of course, given the rest of the work, maybe not...
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Well - The question begs... If they had used longer screws (not uncommon in a gun shop) and managed to cut a few more threads, it may have worked. It wouldnt be the first time something like this was attempted in a "gunshop"
 
cosmic said:
Well - The question begs... If they had used longer screws (not uncommon in a gun shop) and managed to cut a few more threads, it may have worked. It wouldnt be the first time something like this was attempted in a "gunshop"
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Is more or less correct. I am a Red Seal Journeyman Electrician - so there was a province wide standard for apprenticeship, and then apparently on that day, all of us across Canada wrote the same three hour exam. There is no parallel to that - at least in Saskatchewan - to be a "gunsmith" - as if anyone, of any background or skill level, could hang out a shingle and call themselves one. In Canada, there is no standardized or required apprenticeship to become a gunsmith - you can not even find similar to each other courses to take at the various technical or trade schools across Canada. However, I understand there is a "gunsmith licence" issued by the federal gov't to be able to handle / accept various restricted weapons without having ownership of them - I have no idea what criteria are used to decide who gets one of those. Is also various municipal, provincial and federal "rules" that come into play if you want to "run" as a "small business" - licenses, insurances, taxes, etc. - which do not appear, to me, to be specific about whether one is working as a "gunsmith" or a "florist". Yet, is much reference on this site as if all "gunsmith" are "expert" and masters of all the various arcane arts related to firearms. No doubt there are some - but that does nothing for the level of competency of the rest of them. As I discovered from working with them - it is VERY different what one is required to learn and be able to do, to become an "electrician" in Wales, in Austria, or in Saskatchewan. As I discovered, is even "licenses" or "categories" different in Manitoba, from Saskatchewan. I suspect it is similar for "gunsmith".
 
I just received a email “ I have no idea why it came off even test fired it myself 4 times...drop it off I’ll do it again no charge….” This is the first contact I’ve had with the person who did the work. To this point I’ve only heard from his son. I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I have been archery hunting. I will be home soon and will call again Wednesday when he’s expected to be at work.

The rail was ordered from skinner directly, not Rossi. It was for a Rossi 92 per receipt description. I could look further into it, but seems like a moot point to me. Why would anyone hillbilly on a rail that doesn’t fit instead of calling the owner? Especially when he knew I had a dr Pearson mount.
 
Potashminer said:
Is more or less correct. I am a Red Seal Journeyman Electrician - so there was a province wide standard for apprenticeship, and then apparently on that day, all of us across Canada wrote the same three hour exam. There is no parallel to that - at least in Saskatchewan - to be a "gunsmith" - as if anyone, of any background or skill level, could hang out a shingle and call themselves one. In Canada, there is no standardized or required apprenticeship to become a gunsmith - you can not even find similar to each other courses to take at the various technical or trade schools across Canada. However, I understand there is a "gunsmith licence" issued by the federal gov't to be able to handle / accept various restricted weapons without having ownership of them - I have no idea what criteria are used to decide who gets one of those. Is also various municipal, provincial and federal "rules" that come into play if you want to "run" as a "small business" - licenses, insurances, taxes, etc. - which do not appear, to me, to be specific about whether one is working as a "gunsmith" or a "florist". Yet, is much reference on this site as if all "gunsmith" are "expert" and masters of all the various arcane arts related to firearms. No doubt there are some - but that does nothing for the level of competency of the rest of them. As I discovered from working with them - it is VERY different what one is required to learn and be able to do, to become an "electrician" in Wales, in Austria, or in Saskatchewan. As I discovered, is even "licenses" or "categories" different in Manitoba, from Saskatchewan. I suspect it is similar for "gunsmith".
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Agree, just wanted to add that QC actually has a gunsmith certification. No idea what it entails though. - dan
 
Obtaining a federal license to gunsmith in Canada requires you pay a fee of $100... no gunsmithing qualifications required... Just the ability to fill the form out and make payment. I don't know what is required in Quebec. Over 60 years I have seen some very talented men gunsmithing with no specific training to do so.
 


























Back from archery. Took a few more pics. The rail “clicks” into place and requires a hard pull to “snap” it out. No bonding agent or loctite has been cleaned off and the fitment appears to be pretty tight, with a slight pressure and the gap between rail and barrel closes. I would guess the rail to be correct. You can also see bonding agent used at the front, not just rear. It’s overhanging the dovetail and I was able to lift it with a fingernail. I have not touched any of the bolts or tried to thread any in to the minimal threads that are there. Don’t have anything here to measure holes, caliber died and hasn’t been replaced.

Old fella is off today. I’m going to call tomorrow. Hope for more than a “just drop it off”.
 
That is unbelievably unacceptable. I would not let them touch my rifle again. The older I have gotten the more I appreciate being able to work on my own things. I don't even like taking my cars for the factory free oil changes at the dealership when they are new. Most people don't give a crap about their own stuff let alone someone else's. I am fortunate to work in a machine shop and most items gun related that I need done I can do Myself or I know skilled people who can do it for me. As mentioned previously those holes need to be opened up and tapped properly and the adjoining piece modified to fit.

Its hard to tell from your pictures but if the holes are oblong, trying to go back in with a drill to a larger size will only create another F'd up hole in most cases. It would need to be circle milled on a CNC machine or plunged with a flat bottom endmill to make it round again.

Another option in my opinion is to Laser weld the holes and redrill them if that technology is available near you. Laser welding can fill the hole and maintain the same hardness and structure and not create stress of the surrounding steel as it does not generate as much heat as conventional tig or even Micro welding.

Hopefully you can get it fixed up, that is a very disheartening situation. S**t happens but they should have told you and tried to figure out a solution or maybe one of the below will work......

 
This is NOT fixed!!!!!

There should be no red locktite used period!!!!

Just a tad bit of blue on the screws for the mount, oh wait the drill/tap was messed up too......

What did they do about that ?

I'm almost starting to not belive this.......

I'd want the firearm replaced, plain and simple

I'd be filing a police report/small claims court
 
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