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They weren't farmed in the sense you're thinking. No barns, stalls or limited movement. Basically wild in a large fenced area.
Wild boar in Ontario
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They weren't farmed in the sense you're thinking. No barns, stalls or limited movement. Basically wild in a large fenced area.
lmfao oh yeah, thats it. I'm secretly an anti-hunting plant here to sow division. You caught me.
There is a big difference between native populations that are established and maintained by hunting, and invasive species that are not yet established and cannot be maintained by hunting. If you can't see the difference then I don't know what to tell you.
Why would you want to maintain an invasive species ?
Because the alternative is population explosion. Unless you think hunting can actually eliminate them? At which point you aught to start providing some evidence.
Well, if i remember my hunting course, they gave a list of at least ten animals where not only has hunting kept the population in check, but in fact has eliminated or almost eliminated it entirely...
https://www.huntercourse.com/blog/2011/08/10-animals-hunted-or-nearly-hunted-to-extinction/
To their list, i would also point out the experiences that the native people had with both the caribou and the buffalo - huge herds of which were relied upon for centures, until whitey showed up and hunted the begeezus out of them...
Where is your proof that a boar population being hunted in Canada will cause a population explosion ?
Yes, I think hunting can eliminate them. Just look at some European countries where they were hunted to extinction.
LMFAO Okay, well we can kill buffalo so that means we can kill pigs. Case closed.
I don't know if you realize this or not, but things have changed drastically since England eliminated pigs in the 1300s.
Boar populations exploding is what they do in new habitats. If it didn't happen in Canada we'd be the exception, so I see no reason to need to prove it'll happen. If anything I feel you need to prove it won't if you're gonna argue that direction.
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Don't forget the wooly mammoth! If we can team up with climate change and drive a huge, slowly reproducing and slowly maturing species that's already reduced to inbreeding extinct, pigs should be no problem lol.
Still a lot easier to just trap em in bait cages and eliminate than hunt em, leading to inefficient predation changing their habits, educating them, etc etc
Someone spazzed out on me once for saying the average hunter sucks and that means half are even worse, but I think if you look at who consistently kills deer every year and who the 70% who don't are here....you'll see something lol.
Still a lot easier to just trap em in bait cages and eliminate than hunt em, leading to inefficient predation changing their habits, educating them, etc etc
Someone spazzed out on me once for saying the average hunter sucks and that means half are even worse, but I think if you look at who consistently kills deer every year and who the 70% who don't are here....you'll see something lol.
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Um... why exactly are you laughing?
Because, yes.
Yes it does mean exactly that.
We hunted those species to extinction, and yes, that does mean it is possible we could hunt this one to extinction as well.
After all, a boar and a buffalo both react the same way to a bullet.
And by the way, if you manage to stop laughing, you could also google "rats in alberta"
1) it doesn't mean anything of the sort, if it did, Georgia and Texas would be pig free by now.
2)
PROVEN CONTROL METHODS. You know what is not a proven control method for pigs? Hunting! You know what they're not using to control the rats? Hunting! And they will literally tear a building down to deal with them! The poison them and trap them! Are you going to include poisoning in your plan for pigs??
And that concludes my Ted Talk. I'm done. I'm clearly never going to convince anyone, y'all will just move the goalposts and then draw conclusions that have no substance.
Now you say the population explodes either way, hunted or not. Which one is it ?
I can't even bring myself to call some of the practices that drove some of those animals extinct (like the Dodo) "Hunting".
Overexploiting Species A to extinction doesn't mean you can find a practical way to actually hunt Species B to extinction.
And thats not even getting into island biogeography.
Yeah, I never really saw an argument contary to both either
If hunting alone would not control the population I don't know how you can imagine NOT hunting them doesn't result in explosion? Makes no sense.
Unless one completely ignores the fact there are ways to control them without hunting, I suppose?
Wrong !
