That's part of my plan ..
TACCOM24 Sterling arms R18 mk3 .223
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Try before you buy the B+T Buttstock if you can. I ditched it on my APC 308 because of excessive flex in all directions. For some reason B+T uses a much softer polymer than say, Magpul. B+T's polymer is like that F5 Buttstock on the Crusader Templar. Rubbery...
Probably fine on a 5.56mm rifle where recoil is minimal. Still, if you like a really rigid Buttstock this may not be the one for you....
Does the quick-detach butt-stock have a standard buffer tube socket in it? Spectre LTD has got fed up with the flex and supplier uncertainty of the F5 stock, and are bringing out an in-house design under their new Whiskey1 division. Although unproven at this time, they claim it has enough fibreglass reinforcement to avoid the flex of F5 stock. It is to be side-folding, have variable length of pull, and a cheek riser that follows the end of the stock as it extends. How it compares in real life to other polymer stocks like the F5, B&T and Magpul Zhukov remains to be seen. A 1913 version is likely incoming, but if the quick detach has a proper buffer tube attachment point, the Whiskey1 folder may work out of the box with the MK3. Obviously, given the price consciousness of Sterling, this won't be an out of the box option, but TSC may want to contact Spectre to offer this as an after-market option, should it be compatible, if the Whiskey1 turns out to be good, of course.
Thanks for pointing that out, I image the stock being replaced, but only for the better. I'm more interest in form and function than looks, and I was curious about the weight difference for balance.
Well, that scrolled the pages quickly.
Either way it's good sign that everybody is watching closely on R18 Mk.3 with great interest - Must be a lot on SAI and Mr. Cox's shoulders.
Keyboard warriors nitpicking when Bartok5 is the only (known) person with pre-production rifle outside SAI is just amusing.
Why would he need to shoot and test the rifle that's out of spec? It won't show rifle's intended capability so testing of it is moot; but at least we can see the internals and design of it. 'even a pre production rifle is out of spec, I knew it would've been turksh1t ' - that's the point of pre production. Identifying and eliminating what caused it so when full production goes, it will minimize out-of-spec rifles escaping QC to end users; quite frankly, Bartok5 being notified of it out of spec means SAI's QC is on point. They caught it and (hopefully) wouldn't ship it to end users like we've seen on many other in the industry did. But for review's sake they sent it to Bartok5 because SAI wanted him and us to take a look (keeping the hypetrain going too). I remember seeing Gen 1/1.5 Kodiak WK-180 on Cabela's salesfloor circa 2022 with just globs of glue between handguard and receiver. It wasn't blemish, B or C grade merchandise. It was sold as brand new. Now THAT'S QC ISSUE.
Like everything else has lemons, firearms have them too. So one of pre production being out of spec is not ideal but completely normal(sad!) especially when it's expected to be $1800 MSRP. Didn't Kodiak said their Gen 3 is $1.9K? lol.
I don't think there will be no $600 AR-15 in Canada anymore even after the ban lifts(S&W Sport III is USD 800 now) so as much as I hate to say this but this is very reasonably priced self loading piston rifle. Now if 25 of 25 is out of spec... then keyboard warriors are right, yet there is no way for us to see if all 25 is in spec or not, so again, no point barking at Bartok5 for that.
I think everybody just can't contain themselves, positively or negatively.
I'm the former as even after the OiC gets scrapped I plan to stay with piston AR. I need this to succeed and hope SAI becomes Canadian version of PSA is to Americans. I think Kodiak is also aiming for that and since it's most accessible I fear general mass will actually get turned off from negative first experience. Most people won't pay $2K and above even for tacticool firearms, that's enthusiast budget. If R18 Mk.3 delivers what they promised, that means more positive experience and word of mouth spreads, maybe becomes WK-180 of 2024 and onwards. More black/green rifles on the users' hand means more voters for politicians to think again about oppressing us. Apes together strong.
English isn't my mother tongue so pardon me if it's poorly written.
Either way it's good sign that everybody is watching closely on R18 Mk.3 with great interest - Must be a lot on SAI and Mr. Cox's shoulders.
Keyboard warriors nitpicking when Bartok5 is the only (known) person with pre-production rifle outside SAI is just amusing.
Why would he need to shoot and test the rifle that's out of spec? It won't show rifle's intended capability so testing of it is moot; but at least we can see the internals and design of it. 'even a pre production rifle is out of spec, I knew it would've been turksh1t ' - that's the point of pre production. Identifying and eliminating what caused it so when full production goes, it will minimize out-of-spec rifles escaping QC to end users; quite frankly, Bartok5 being notified of it out of spec means SAI's QC is on point. They caught it and (hopefully) wouldn't ship it to end users like we've seen on many other in the industry did. But for review's sake they sent it to Bartok5 because SAI wanted him and us to take a look (keeping the hypetrain going too). I remember seeing Gen 1/1.5 Kodiak WK-180 on Cabela's salesfloor circa 2022 with just globs of glue between handguard and receiver. It wasn't blemish, B or C grade merchandise. It was sold as brand new. Now THAT'S QC ISSUE.
Like everything else has lemons, firearms have them too. So one of pre production being out of spec is not ideal but completely normal(sad!) especially when it's expected to be $1800 MSRP. Didn't Kodiak said their Gen 3 is $1.9K? lol.
I don't think there will be no $600 AR-15 in Canada anymore even after the ban lifts(S&W Sport III is USD 800 now) so as much as I hate to say this but this is very reasonably priced self loading piston rifle. Now if 25 of 25 is out of spec... then keyboard warriors are right, yet there is no way for us to see if all 25 is in spec or not, so again, no point barking at Bartok5 for that.
I think everybody just can't contain themselves, positively or negatively.
I'm the former as even after the OiC gets scrapped I plan to stay with piston AR. I need this to succeed and hope SAI becomes Canadian version of PSA is to Americans. I think Kodiak is also aiming for that and since it's most accessible I fear general mass will actually get turned off from negative first experience. Most people won't pay $2K and above even for tacticool firearms, that's enthusiast budget. If R18 Mk.3 delivers what they promised, that means more positive experience and word of mouth spreads, maybe becomes WK-180 of 2024 and onwards. More black/green rifles on the users' hand means more voters for politicians to think again about oppressing us. Apes together strong.
English isn't my mother tongue so pardon me if it's poorly written.
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The "Buffer Tube" does not have a standard threaded interface where it joins the Picatinny QD Adapter. It is actually reverse-threaded for some reason. So really, you have a choice of replacing either the entire Picatinny assembly, or just the Polymer sliding Buttstock portion. Here is a photo to show you what I mean....
Pretty disappointed to see people’s short sightedness, quickness to criticize and spew nonsense!
To the “I built top notch ARs for cheaper” commmets…. This is where we are at now. R18 mk3 looks very good compared to the competition for the price. I can talk all day about buying 1000rnds of 9mm for $200 but it ain’t gonna change the fact that now $350 is a good price.
“Turk####”…. ya your $700 semi was poor quality and didn’t cycle, are you surprised? Same as in Canada, there will be companies that make sh#t for cheap and there will be companies that make quality parts. Can in spec parts come from Turkey? Absolutely.
Bartok. Do I know him? No. Is he providing us with way more info than we could find elsewhere? Yes. “Why is he so excited and talking it up?” Same reason everyone is excited about the Raven, Crypto, and R18. Options are so limited here in Canada. If a manufacturer can ad an option to our list, that’s something to be excited about. The amount of valid hate people have for BCL and crusader arms, I find it surprising that people are so quick to say he is “too excited”.
Will it be a perfect rifle? Probably not. Could it be a way better option than the others in the price bracket? It sure looks like it on paper right now but only time will tell.
What I do know is everyone criticizing Bartok for no reason doesn’t do anything for anyone. The guy contributes lots of great material to the site, take what you want from it and leave what you don’t.
The Canadian gun community has enough enemies out to get us. Not point squabbling amongst ourselves.
To the “I built top notch ARs for cheaper” commmets…. This is where we are at now. R18 mk3 looks very good compared to the competition for the price. I can talk all day about buying 1000rnds of 9mm for $200 but it ain’t gonna change the fact that now $350 is a good price.
“Turk####”…. ya your $700 semi was poor quality and didn’t cycle, are you surprised? Same as in Canada, there will be companies that make sh#t for cheap and there will be companies that make quality parts. Can in spec parts come from Turkey? Absolutely.
Bartok. Do I know him? No. Is he providing us with way more info than we could find elsewhere? Yes. “Why is he so excited and talking it up?” Same reason everyone is excited about the Raven, Crypto, and R18. Options are so limited here in Canada. If a manufacturer can ad an option to our list, that’s something to be excited about. The amount of valid hate people have for BCL and crusader arms, I find it surprising that people are so quick to say he is “too excited”.
Will it be a perfect rifle? Probably not. Could it be a way better option than the others in the price bracket? It sure looks like it on paper right now but only time will tell.
What I do know is everyone criticizing Bartok for no reason doesn’t do anything for anyone. The guy contributes lots of great material to the site, take what you want from it and leave what you don’t.
The Canadian gun community has enough enemies out to get us. Not point squabbling amongst ourselves.
Thanks, Bartok. The Whiskey1 will not work as is, as it interfaces straight into the buffer tube socket. Since they do sell a 1913 rear-ended version of one of their piston rifles, hopefully Spectre LTD and Whiskey1 will make a 1913 variant.The "Buffer Tube" does not have a standard threaded interface where it joins the Picatinny QD Adapter. It is actually reverse-threaded for some reason. So really, you have a choice of replacing either the entire Picatinny assembly, or just the Polymer sliding Buttstock portion. Here is a photo to show you what I mean....
What did you put on the APC 308 to replace the MBT?
I went with a Buffer Tube Adapter and a B5 Systems, Collapsible Precision Stock. The fact that the APC 308 has no need of a Buffer Tube allowed me to substitute a Kyn-Shot Hydraulic Recoil Buffer, which is principally designed for Shotguns. It is a 1-for-1 replacement for the Buffer Tube itself, and works excellent to tame the already light recoil of the .308 round.
Our community in general loves to ##### and complain and is also notoriously cheap. That's just the way it is. I'm really looking forward to the accuracy testing results. I'm a buyer if "max 2.5 MOA" claim holds water.
oh i've seen that over the years on here. Next people will be complaining its not 1moa gun. haha
There is a R18MK3 on the wall in both Target Sports (Gormley) and The Shooting Edge (Calgary) and one on the way to Siwash for people to fondle. If you are in the area of one of those locations, go on in and have a look yourselves.
LOL and most of those people are not capable of a solid 1MOA.
Currently the ADKAS SAM folder goes to the Left side of the Rifle, which interferes with the operation of the Charging Handle on the R18 Mk3. There is no getting around the Left Side Charging on the Mk3, as that is one of the defining features of the R18 series that assists in obtaining a NR FRT entry from the RCMP Lab. So the need is for a RIght side folder, necessitating a complete rework of the existing SAM design. As for an exact copy of the SIG Lightweight MCX Buttstock versus a folding Buffer Tube style of Buttstock,, you'd have to lobby SAI. I'm guessing that they will want to go with a folding Buffer Tube design, as that is what they already have the Picatinny QD Adapter ready to go for.
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The Lightweight buttstock is what I was referring to, yes. AKDAS are apparently already making a proprietary version that includes a 1913 interface so this would be plug and play. It would avoid a redesign of the folding stock altogether, and offer some flare for the MCX-at-home crowd.
I suspect JR probably thought of it but if he's reading this, it would be interesting to have his input -- even having this stock available as a separate option would be great.
