Legal Length???

As per Dlask, barrel attachments are included in the OA length.
Thanks,

That’s what I thought. You can’t add a muzzle device to say a a barrel with a 450mm length to get it above 470mm to make it legal. That would still be considered prohibited.

You could add a muzzle device to a either a non semi auto centre fire or any type of rimfire action with a barrel length of 470 to get to an overall length of greater than 660mm without folding, telescoping or otherwise when being able to be fired to be considered non restricted
 
Where are you sourcing the Midwest handguard and chassis?

there's a waiting line haha
:ROFLMAO: I honestly don't know yet. I just stumbled upon Dlasks post that's all. and it looked nice!!


Found one!!!
https://firearmsoutletcanada.com/mi...ompatible-w-ruger-10-22-takedown-mi-1022-tdc/

Having a hard time finding the handguard at the moment.


If you have non-takedown version. this looks good.
https://firearmsoutletcanada.com/pr...tock-for-the-ruger-10-22-black-aa556rex-.html
 
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Nice find on the MidWest chassis at FOC.
Found the 8" handguard at RDSC but backordered.
Fantastic! I've purchased stuff from RDSC. Cody is great!!!!

Send an email and ask to do special order for you. Just pay the invoice and you'll get it in no time. Done this few times. no issues.

I'll probably do the same but still undecided if I'm going with 8" or 13" handguard. But $50 less with 8" doesn't seem bad.🤷‍♂️
 
Maybe a dumb question but I’m going to ask it anyway. Does the flash hider or for that matter a muzzle brake count in the calculation?

Flash hiders, brakes, muzzle devices all count towards OAL length, they need to be properly torqued on though, and not be removable without tools or intention to remove.
They will not count towards barrel length however.
Anybody that tells you otherwise is wrong and is looking at forums with US regs.

BC, AB and ON CFO has confirmed this for me, if you or anybody is in doubt call them yourself 🫡
 
Flash hiders, brakes, muzzle devices all count towards OAL length, they need to be properly torqued on though, and not be removable without tools or intention to remove.
They will not count towards barrel length however.
Anybody that tells you otherwise is wrong and is looking at forums with US regs.

BC, AB and ON CFO has confirmed this for me, if you or anybody is in doubt call them yourself 🫡
The not removable without tools part is that similar to dlask and the short barreled GSG’s?

Dlask required that the stock be attached using the Chicago style screws instead of the HK Push Pins as then it couldn’t be easily fired when less than 660mm by just pushing out a single pin and removing the stock?
 
Flash hiders, brakes, muzzle devices all count towards OAL length, they need to be properly torqued on though, and not be removable without tools or intention to remove.
They will not count towards barrel length however.
Anybody that tells you otherwise is wrong and is looking at forums with US regs.

BC, AB and ON CFO has confirmed this for me, if you or anybody is in doubt call them yourself 🫡
Nope. They used to be. Then they changed their minds. - dan
 
The not removable without tools part is that similar to dlask and the short barreled GSG’s?

Dlask required that the stock be attached using the Chicago style screws instead of the HK Push Pins as then it couldn’t be easily fired when less than 660mm by just pushing out a single pin and removing the stock?
Precisely, A spin-on fake suppressor will not count, as you can just remove it anytime and it would be a prohibited, however a torqued on muzzle device cant just be removed without tools, or in this case (spun back on to make it legal before a cop/range officer inspects it, etc.

It is important to note that the length is for the smallest condition it can fire in after being built.
EG: folding stock 10/22 is 26" or more in the folded condition. But removing it out of the stock altogether would not apply as its not in (normal usable condition, and the stock or chassis is normally installed for proper use.


Is this part in writing anywhere? Serious question.
That would fall under the definitions on the firearms website, note the text in red. as for restricted, the adaptation is important, a non telescoping firearm designed smaller than 26" is still legal.
EG: sulun arms SS-211, Henry Mare's Leg etc. (the length cannot be changed from factory, and they are not semi auto)
Now were you to change to stock on the Mare's leg to a a aftermarket stock, that would fall under 26" by adaptation and make it restrcited, replacing it with a factory original stock would be okay.
Its the same dumb logic as how I cannot cut my pump shotgun barrel under 18.5", but I can buy an aftermarket 12" barrel that still keeps it over 26" and thus non restricted.

Note the red markings below, taken from the RCMP website.

Non-restricted

This class includes any firearm that is neither restricted nor prohibited. Most common rifles and shotguns are non-restricted, but there are exceptions.

Restricted

What's included in this class

  • Handguns that are not prohibited firearms
  • Firearms that:
    • are not prohibited firearms
    • have a barrel less than 470 mm in length
    • are capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner
  • Firearms designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise
  • Firearms of any other kind prescribed to be restricted firearms in the Regulations

Prohibited

What's included in this class

  • Handguns with barrels equal to or less than 105 mm in length
  • Handguns designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge
    • This does not include handguns for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union and where the handgun is prescribed to be restricted
  • Firearms adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted are:
    • less than 660 mm in length
    • 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length
  • Automatic firearms, whether or not altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger
  • A firearm that is not a handgun and that
    • discharges centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner;
    • was originally designed with a detachable cartridge magazine with a capacity of six cartridges or more; and
    • is designed and manufactured on or after December 15, 2023
  • Firearms prescribed to be prohibited firearms in the Regulations (including firearms prescribed by make and model; any firearm with a bore diameter of 20 mm or greater; and any firearm capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 joules).
 
I thought a muzzle device does not count towards barrel length, but it does counts towards over all length?
According to the lab, when I asked about this same thing (folding stock on a 10/22), muzzle devices don't count for OAL.

I used to have it in writing from a lab tech, but it was in my university email which I no longer have access to.
 
Precisely, A spin-on fake suppressor will not count, as you can just remove it anytime and it would be a prohibited, however a torqued on muzzle device cant just be removed without tools, or in this case (spun back on to make it legal before a cop/range officer inspects it, etc.

Please show me the part of the law that makes any mention of this? Such as Requiring tools? Do they give a specific minimum torque spec?


The simple fact is this isn't actually covered by any written law. And if it's not spelled out in the law it comes down to the opinion of the lab (remember, they're the experts the courts will call upon), and I certainly wouldn't want to be in court for ANYTHING that relies on the opinion of the lab.

And the best part is the Lab isn't even consistent on these matters - there is a PAR model where a pinned on muzzle device was allowed to count as barrel length, yet normally it doesn't count.

It's all bull####, and it'll cost you a pretty penny to get a ruling whether you're found to be in the right or not.
 
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