It's almost depressing trying to buy an AR15 in Canada

Throttle_monkey1 said:
I read the other thread as well. I believe they referring to barrels over 457mm. to chop it to under that is a no no. If you're already under that, chop away. I could be wrong, but what they're saying is that altering a barrel to under 457mm is bad. But what happens when the barrel is already under the 457?
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Questar sums it up perfectly in this post. Regardless of the original length, if the end product is less than 457mm from cutting then it becomes prohib. You could cut a 20" down to 18" legally, for example. But if you cut a 20" or 14.5" down to 10.5", you have created a prohibited firearm. However, legally you can buy a new manufactured barrel/upper of any of those lengths and be okay. That's how I took it? :confused:

The grey area that everyone seems to be hinting at, is what is actually considered a manufactured barrel.
 
Throttle_monkey1 said:
I read the other thread as well. I believe they referring to barrels over 457mm. to chop it to under that is a no no. If you're already under that, chop away. I could be wrong, but what they're saying is that altering a barrel to under 457mm is bad. But what happens when the barrel is already under the 457?
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You are correct in that you ARE allowed to cut down an AR's barrel. Varified this on a few occasions with the CFC. It will not change the classification of the rifle it is already restricted. Now if you cut it below the legal pistol length then you are making a prohib.
 
Well that's a shame... although I'm far from surprised. lol But I have heard there are ways around the limitation of a 5 round mag... but I still need to look into that further. Ahhhh... my memories of a 30 round mag and the ability of fully auto... good times!
 
I understand what everyone is saying,

You can buy a 7.5 inch barrel legally, making one yourself is illegal, ya that makes sense? The CFC has no record of aftermarket barrel sales, they have no idea whether you bought a 16in or a 7in barrel, at least not until you call them to re-register the rifle with a new length.

I'm glad it's not just me who notices the gap in that logic, I just need to find a dude with a lathe who has no problem with fixing up the end of my barrel after it's done. Oops, I mean after I buy (not make)a 7 inch barrel from a guy over the internet, I should have worded that more clearly to take away any confusion. :)
 
ajayofcanada said:
I'm glad it's not just me who notices the gap in that logic, I just need to find a dude with a lathe who has no problem with fixing up the end of my barrel after it's done. Oops, I mean after I buy (not make)a 7 inch barrel from a guy over the internet, I should have worded that more clearly to take away any confusion. :)
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Try Dlask....I know their QC can be hit or miss but I had him drill a barrel for a front sight before and it turned out ok. He does have all the equipment.
 
So if I ask a ghuy to lathe the front of a barrel he is not doing anything wrong? I just want to confirm that because I can just picture what will happen when I ask local machine shops to thread a barrel for me. Even though it is legal, most people won't bother just out of general confusion regarding firearms laws.

For example, my friends can't believe that I bought the majority of my AR 15 parts through the mail. One of my family friends also though handguns were illegal in Canada.

These are the people we have to deal with everyday.
 
ajayofcanada said:
So if I ask a ghuy to lathe the front of a barrel he is not doing anything wrong? I just want to confirm that because I can just picture what will happen when I ask local machine shops to thread a barrel for me. Even though it is legal, most people won't bother just out of general confusion regarding firearms laws.
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Why don't you go and re-read all of the threads on shortening barrels. Lots of people with more experience than you or I are telling you that it is not OK, that the technical folks at the CFC say that it would be considered a prohib. I'm not saying that I agree with that, but I sure as well won't disregard the warnings.

Or are you just waiting for someone to agree with you because that's what you want to hear?

Saying "So and so on the internet agreed that it was legal to do this" is not a good legal defense.
 
If you want a shorty upper that badly, Dlask has 8.5, 10.5, 11.5, and 14.5 inch barrel uppers as well as the usual 16 and 20 inch ones we get from the US
 
I'm just questioning a dumb law and having a discussion about it,nothing more, and if I wanted to do it, I certainly wouldn't need the approval of strangers on the web. I enjoy discussing subjects such as this, it's certainly more interesting than chatting about the weather :)

Anyhow, other than Dlask, when do you all think that a new shipment of AR barrels/ or uppers will arrive in Canada? With everything that has been going down lately, I wouldn't count on anything happening anytime soon.

Maybe I'll just hold out until that huge shipment of HK 416 uppers comes to Canada, I predict that due to the huge numbers of them, over-saturation will occur and prices will drop to couple hundred bucks per HK upper.

Ya think?
 
So the consensus is that even cutting a barrel that is under 457mm to begin with will render it prohib?

What if ihave a 400 mm barrel, and magically lengthened it to 450 mm, I would also create a prohib? Because I would in effect be altering a barrel to a final length under 457 mm.
 
I handle and repair these bushmaster AR15's and they're not what they are cracked up to be. They are cheaply made therefore aptly priced. Nothing beats the original. Yes, they are hard to come by. But not impossible. It's worth it to keep looking.
 
Sosuemi said:
I handle and repair these bushmaster AR15's and they're not what they are cracked up to be. They are cheaply made therefore aptly priced. Nothing beats the original. Yes, they are hard to come by. But not impossible. It's worth it to keep looking.
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Ditto Bushampsters QC is nonexistent.
 
I have not touched any new bushmaster these days but the old ones are good to go except those short barrels came out around Y2K - right after the Y2K they made some pretty decent stuff. My old bushmaster M4 is one the most accurate out of the mill AR along with the Colt AR6721.

It seems to me that bushmaster's components and barrels are generally good to go - but the monkeys tht put them together tend to have some mood swing at least in the old days.
 
So are you telling me that I have no chance in getting this rifle?

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Caliber: 7.62X39mm
Barrel: 16" Double Lapped, Chrome Lined with M203 Step Down Threaded 5/8x24
Muzzle Device: A2 Flash Suppressor
Front Sight Base: Gas Block With Picatinny Rail
Upper Receiver: Forged Flattop with Picatinny Rail & Laser Engraved Rail Numbering
Bolt: RH 1:10"
Trigger: Two Stage Tactical
Overall Length: 35.6"
Weight: 7 lbs
Finish: Hard Anodized Aluminum, Manganese Phosphated Steel
Accuracy: 2" MOA
Included with Rifle: One 10 Round Magazine, Sling, Black Case, Owner's Manual, and a Limited Lifetime Warranty
 
Leg said:
Why don't you go and re-read all of the threads on shortening barrels. Lots of people with more experience than you or I are telling you that it is not OK, that the technical folks at the CFC say that it would be considered a prohib. I'm not saying that I agree with that, but I sure as well won't disregard the warnings.

Or are you just waiting for someone to agree with you because that's what you want to hear?

Saying "So and so on the internet agreed that it was legal to do this" is not a good legal defense.
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There's nothing wrong with threading a barrel.

The CFC has given answers both ways on the barrel shortening thing. The "grey area" comes in with what is the definition of a "manufactured barrel."

Is a guy in his garage with a hacksaw a manufacturer?
Is your machinist buddy with a lathe a manufacturer?
Is a gun shop with a smith a manufacturer?
Do you have to buy barrel stock and cut it to length and profile to be a manufacturer?
Do you have to buy ingots of steel and make a barrel from scratch?

And the answer is, god only knows in Canada. You have to get charged and let the courts decide sadly.
 
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