Our Soft Body Armor Policy

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I hate to be the voice of reason here.....

BUT

1) How many of you right this minute would be willing to slap money down and purchase body armor.. right now, today.

2) of those how many would use it on a regular basis in "high" risk application like range use and or training events.... how many would just buy it for the cool factor and let it rot in the closet.

I for one applaud daves for posting this on here, that alone takes alt of balls and shows that he stands behind his customers and his clients. How many of you have actually worn body armor for your job... ??

I am a customer of DSTactical, and will remain one.... those that will not, vaya con dios.... martin and collin have taken the stance that it "will not happen on their watch", good for them and good for all the save and serve people on the lower Mainland.

those that want armor, there is a million other places to get it...
 
Hotnix;

If a retail gun shop took your statement and simply changed the words "body armour" to "firearms" would it still seem reasonable to you?
 
Westicle said:
{snip}... those that want armor, there is a million other places to get it...
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It's not about the body armor, Wes. Not at all. I, for one, have no interest whatsoever in buying body armor. It's about doing business with businesses that you feel comfortable dealing with. And there are some of us that no longer feel comfortable doing business with a company that chooses to treat us like criminals.
 
hotnix said:
How can i do a background check as a retail store? How do I know who is good or bad? I cant and for me to do it on a 1 on 1 who I think basis wouldnt work either.

I know there could be a answer to fix this but I cant figure one out without getting screwed in the end.
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I'm currently working for a non-profit social service agency. One of our client groups is people "involved" with the legal system. I am often sitting across from a murder, sometimes multi-murderers and occasionally psychopaths. I am totally unarmed. Why shouldn't I be able to buy appropriate protective gear?
 
I won't ever purchase anything from your store. Your decision as a company to restrict such products is a poor decision.
I'm in no way interested in body armor but just the fact that you will restrict your sales is a poor move.
I will be passing on this thread to many othere gun lovers and see what they think. Judging by this thread so far you guys better have a government contract or something. Otherwise you better plan your "Going out of business sale"
 
hotnix said:
Maybe asking for a PAL is the right answer. I do want to sell armour to the guys here in vancouver doing tac rifle, ect. They problem is opening it up to the public has alot of negativity that goes along with it. This is something I will have to look into and hopefully get it resolved asap. I do like the PAL idea.
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I am not showing anyone my PAL when the law doesn't require it.

It is your absolutely right to put whatever restrictions on your sales that you wish. It is also our right to conclude that you consider those of us who are not LEO, military, ambulance or security second class citizens whose lives are less worthy of protection. I tend not to support businesses whose owners feel that way.

BTW, do you put the same restriction on the Halligan tool? Great little device for housebreakers.
 
Claybuster said:
I am not showing anyone my PAL when the law doesn't require it.

It is your absolutely right to put whatever restrictions on your sales that you wish. It is also our right to conclude that you consider those of us who are not LEO, military, ambulance or security second class citizens whose lives are less worthy of protection.

BTW, do you put the same restriction on the Halligan tool? Great little device for housebreakers.
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Yes all Breaching tools are LE only.
 
krausb said:
It's not about the body armor, Wes. Not at all. I, for one, have no interest whatsoever in buying body armor. It's about doing business with businesses that you feel comfortable dealing with. And there are some of us that no longer feel comfortable doing business with a company that chooses to treat us like criminals.
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well then your #### out of luck then, if anything DSTactical was behind the times, industry standard was and is that some products are being controlled thru gentleman agreements with LEO/MIL.

take a look at the sponsers banners up above and show me ONE who sells body armor to civilians...

I used to work with bc ambulance right when we where having the big debate to move to stab vests, in the end vancouver was the only place to get them.... this was in the early 90's, those of us on the island got nothing, so I know the arguments for and against.

frankly I am disappointed with the attitude some of you guys are bringing to this subject, like a bunch of spoiled kids.... you should be looking at this as DSTactical's civil service in helping to protect the Security Guard, the Armored Car Driver, the VPD Officer, the RCMP Officer as well as the BC Ambulance attendants.

7.62 shooter, if you feel that threatened by your clients then I suggest you take it up with your health and safety person because WCB will make them purchase you the equipment to protect yourself..... in your case it is totally a WCB issue.

more to come I am sure.... the sense of entitlement with this crowd is huge...
 
I've spent a lot of money at Dave's(personal, not for work), and will continue to do so.
Colin has had the balls to come onto this site and let everyone know what their policy is, probably knowing very well what the response would be. But he still did it.

Wes' post(#42) said everything I was thinking, so no need to repeat it.

As an aside, how many of you that are so against spending money at Dave's now are still willing to find a way to get all the cool American gear that can't/won't be sold to Canadians?

And since Nicholls was mentioned in this thread, just so everyone knows, they treat their LE customers as ####ty as they do civilian customers. They know they're the only game in town for certain items and products, so have the attitude that if you want it, you HAVE to deal with us.

That's a huge difference in attitude than Dave, Colin, Martin, and the rest of the guys have.
 
Seriously guys. I have seen Harleys used by lots of people that are not LE/security types. Heck even my complex analysis prof had one. Knew how to drive it and fix it too. But if I saw him going to class in a vest, I'd question it.

What is body armor legitimately used for outside of what Dave's lists? Educate me. Seriously.

I completely understand that some people don't like their rights being stepped on, but this is a business' decision, not a governments. A business does not have the ability to grant or infringe on your rights.

Businesses can help to change culture though. If there are legitimate uses for vests outside of Dave's list, educate us, so that society does not lean further in the direction that it seams some are fearing.

Given my limited experience with people outside of Dave's list wearing body armor, I have to think their decision is a good one. If I am wrong, I would like to hear how.
 
carbonrod said:
Seriously guys. I have seen Harleys used by lots of people that are not LE/security types. Heck even my complex analysis prof had one. Knew how to drive it and fix it too. But if I saw him going to class in a vest, I'd question it.

What is body armor legitimately used for outside of what Dave's lists? Educate me. Seriously.

I completely understand that some people don't like their rights being stepped on, but this is a business' decision, not a governments. A business does not have the ability to grant or infringe on your rights.

Businesses can help to change culture though. If there are legitimate uses for vests outside of Dave's list, educate us, so that society does not lean further in the direction that it seams some are fearing.

Given my limited experience with people outside of Dave's list wearing body armor, I have to think their decision is a good one. If I am wrong, I would like to hear how.
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Been to a firing range lately ? with all these new reloaders & guns blowing up
Thats the only place I would want one for
 
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I personally don't have a use for Body armor at the moment. Unless of course the Chinese invade. But I want the right to be able to purchase these items if the circumstances call for it. To be denied this right is just another step in the wrong direction and an infringement on our rights and freedoms and it shouldn't be taken lightly.
 
#1bcshooter said:
Been to a firing range lately ? with all these new reloaders & guns blowing up
Thats the only place I would want one for
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Yep. Just got back. ;) 150rnds lighter now.

You would spend X dollars for a vest to protect yourself from all these guns blowing up? I have seen my share of people doing completely ridiculous things reloading, but I have never seen, or even heard of first hand, a gun blow up in any fashion that a vest would have helped.
 
mrsmitty said:
I personally don't have a use for Body armor at the moment. Unless of course the Chinese invade. But I want the right to be able to purchase these items if the circumstances call for it. To be denied this right is just another step in the wrong direction and an infringement on our rights and freedoms and it shouldn't be taken lightly.
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A business can not deny you a right. They can only make business decisions.
 
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