1022 Tommy Gun Kit

I stand corrected. I didnt look at it that way, sorry for stepping on anyones toes :)

ShooterPHD said:
Not always…most of these small time manufacturers have a minimum order. Sometimes it could be a minimum order of $2500.00 or more…That’s a lot of Kits!!!

There are also costs involved in importing/exporting goods commercially. Licence fees, broker fees, exchange rates, shipping and taxes, etc…If it were easy everyone would be doing it.
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Mr AR15 said:
Well people, when I started this thread it was to let everyone know I was bowing out of trying to make a Thompson kit for the Ruger 1022 and that there was now a kit available in the States. My problem was that the cost of making these kits was to high considering how many people would be purchasing them. Well that problem has been solved. I have also spoken to a CNC outfit close to home and have some decent prices on producing the aluminum parts. My problem now is finding someone to manufacture the wood components, the butt stock, pistol grip and two different fore stocks for the Thompson. If any one can point me to a shop in Southern Ontario that could make these at a reasonable price, say 20 packages to start with, I would be most grateful.

If I can solve this one last problem you might just have a kit by mid summer. I still have lots of little details to figure out but I have some good help in the background so maybe this might actually come to fruition. All I can say is I will do my best to get you guys a nice Thompson kit if I possibly can. I will keep you posted.



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There's more pics of my first generation Thompson in this thread:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310695
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...Thats a work of art!!! Excellent work my friend!!!
 
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There are many legal ways to do this. Heres a common senerio. A relative in the states buys it. You purchase the $100 export permit good for a year, good for fireasrms or parts. Parts are good as you do not need any paperwork from the CFC. There is a little but not excessive amounts of paperwork and takes about a month for a gun, If you have a relative in the states and it is only parts it will be quicker.

It is the same process you would go through if you were buying a gun in the US and bringing it back, only good thing is on this end there is no hold up at the border as nothing needs to have the registration checked, maybe just the tax paid.

If you already have an export permit and are waiting for a gun you can use it for this and then get another for the gun...

Why does everyone always assume it is illegal?

If you want one quicker there is a solution.

If you do it illegally and get caught then you will pay the price. Simple.

NICE TRY but WRONG!!!!
To get an export permit approved by the Dept of State REGARDLESS of the value, the manufacturer of the items being exported MUST be registered as a DDTC manufacturer, or the export permit is refused. End of story.
The $100.00 exemption is only applied to registered manufacturers End of story.
Fun Guns kit is OVER $100.00 so unless your US relative is planning on swearing a false value on the export documents hence breaking the law, it is still NOT legal to bring in the parts in this manner.

There are NO illegal parts in this kit, but the US laws require them to be shipped under the cover of an export permit , DESPITE the fact that the kits is some wood and metal bits, I don't like it anymore than anyone else, but it is the way it is.

To arrive at a final landed CDN price will be determined by the number of kits that we get asked for as well as the exchange rate when the kits are ordered and paid for..
YES I am buying them at a discounted price, that is what distributors do, HOWEVER there is the cost of the permits as relayed by Fun Gun in the quote of his that I posted to take into account.
This cost must be divided by the number of kits we are going to LEGALLY import.
If everyones intent is just break the law and buy them in the US and illegally smuggle them up then both Fun Gun and myself are wasting our time.

SO once again I ask how many are willing to put their money where their keyboard is and commit some $$ IN TRUST so we can get an accurate sense of how many kits we are talking about.
If the numbers make legal importation cost prohibitive I will be advisng the group of such and the deposits will be refunded in full, but until we get enough useful info neither Fun Gun or I am prepared to expose ourselves to the cost of the REQUIRED permit to legally import/export these kits.

SO let us try and get this thread back on track and hopefully move forward.
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I am not an authority on importing an never claimed to be.

However, I was able to purchase a pistol using the method mentioned, the customs officer looked at it and thought it was cool (did not arrest me), and allowed me to legally pass into Canada. Did I pay tax, yes. There was prep work well in advance but it was when our dollar was higher than the American so it was well worth it.

THIS CAN BE DONE.

I have nothing against Alberta tactical and fully believe they should bring them in as they will no doubt easily sell in the Canadian market

I am just advising there are other ways which can eliminate the middle man and perhaps save someone some cash.

To many people are scared off by the couple of forms that need to be filled out and some phone calls. In the end it costs them more paying guns dealers to do it.

My point is simple, If a business can do it so can you and maybe quicker.

If my post stops the import of these then that is sad.

I have found that most border town gunstores in the US know the rules and will properly guide you.
 
johnnylo said:
I am not an authority on importing an never claimed to be.

However, I was able to purchase a pistol using the method mentioned, the customs officer looked at it and thought it was cool (did not arrest me), and allowed me to legally pass into Canada. Did I pay tax, yes. There was prep work well in advance but it was when our dollar was higher than the American so it was well worth it.

THIS CAN BE DONE.

I have nothing against Alberta tactical and fully believe they should bring them in as they will no doubt easily sell in the Canadian market

I am just advising there are other ways which can eliminate the middle man and perhaps save someone some cash.

To many people are scared off by the couple of forms that need to be filled out and some phone calls. In the end it costs them more paying guns dealers to do it.

My point is simple, If a business can do it so can you and maybe quicker.

If my post stops the import of these then that is sad.

I have found that most border town gunstores in the US know the rules and will properly guide you.
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I import guns and gunparts almost everyday, I do this for a living, have done this for many years, so maybe I know a thing or 2 about importing and exporting.

I am NOT suggesting that an individual can not do exactly the same as a dealer does, by going through the proper depts that control the import and export of "Gun Parts". It is no different for a dealer than an individual.

HOWEVER
The method you described is TOTALLY illegal in both countries. To suggest to others to falsify documents and blatantly attempt to get others to break the import and export laws of 2 countries with BAD information, is ludicrous and should get you bounced off the forum for breach of forum rules.

To swear a false value or nature of the commodity is illeagal in the US as an exporter, just as it is in Canada as the importer.

The fact still remains that unless the manufacturer pays the US government, in this case in excess of $2200 dollars, the goods can NOT be legally exported at all, by anyone.
So if you want to incur the costs associated with exporting through LEGAL means it is expensive. Not nearly as expensive as if you get caught by either countries border control services for doing the import/export illegally though.
 
I import guns and gunparts almost everyday, I do this for a living, have done this for many years, so maybe I know a thing or 2 about importing and exporting.

I am NOT suggesting that an individual can not do exactly the same as a dealer does, by going through the proper depts that control the import and export of "Gun Parts". It is no different for a dealer than an individual.

HOWEVER
The method you described is TOTALLY illegal in both countries. To suggest to others to falsify documents and blatantly attempt to get others to break the import and export laws of 2 countries with BAD information, is ludicrous and should get you bounced off the forum for breach of forum rules.
To swear a false value or nature of the commodity is illeagal in the US as an exporter, just as it is in Canada as the importer.

The fact still remains that unless the manufacturer pays the US government, in this case in excess of $2200 dollars, the goods can NOT be legally exported at all, by anyone.
So if you want to incur the costs associated with exporting through LEGAL means it is expensive. Not nearly as expensive as if you get caught by either countries border control services for doing the import/export illegally though.
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I am done arguing with you. I guess you know it all...

I admit I do not know if an individual can export from the US probobly not from what I was told on the phone, the guy was a little unclear himself. That was an example only using a family member, I should have said store.

As for telling people to falsify documents, sorry bud but you must be politician and see and read what you want. I am the one who said to do it legally or pay the price if you get caught.

For all others, I am in contact with a gun store in the US who has them. Not the maker of these great items. I have also contacted homeland security in the US and the ATF. If everything works out and it arrives you will know when I post pics, a couple of weeks from now and advise of the total price. If my total to import exceeds the cost of one from Anderson then I may just do that. The dollar is low now so I do not know what the total will come to as it is in US dollars. Things were delayed for a week as I was away.

I am glad to see that Anderson Arms has them. Hopefully more flood the country. Has anyone got one from Anderson Arms?

Mr. AR15 I hope your project goes ahead and commences sales, I would rather pay little more as yours as looks better and is made in Canada. I would rather give you the money than the US Govt and a US dealer.
 
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Vimy Ridge said:
No idea, but if they are the same kits, they must be getting them from a 3rd party in the US because apparently Fun Gun isn't aware they are here.

ATR, are there other dealers interested in picking these up with you?
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I do not know how Anderson is getting them either, but can guess.
As Fun Gun has not indicated that he has proceeded or not with the required exports hoops I can not see how they can legally be here.

I have contacted some other dealers and have got about the same reception. If I am willing to do the legwork and front the funds they MAY buy some.

Jlo
Your regular stores in the US are NOT exporters. Some may and in fact DO just send stuff to Canada or other countries either due to ignorance of their countries laws or they like you just don't care that they are breaking them.
Personally I don't care if you believe what I have been telling you or not, but it IS the way the laws work.
Call Numrich, Brownells , Midway etc, these are US companies that actually KNOW the export laws, you will find out that I am right.

And on that note I am out, I have had enough of this crap.
 
That picture alone makes me want one even more! How can you not smile with that in your hands. Is there some sort of list being taken of people interested in purchasing these from a Canadian dealer? Where do I sign!!
 
urbaneddy said:
That picture alone makes me want one even more! How can you not smile with that in your hands. Is there some sort of list being taken of people interested in purchasing these from a Canadian dealer? Where do I sign!!
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Please contact:
Alberta Tactical Rifle Supply
Calgary, Alberta
Phone: (403)277-7786 Fax: (403)366-5317
mailto:abtacrifle@shaw.ca

The Anderson's link works intermittently as the site is still under construction.

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Mr AR15 said:
Well people, when I started this thread it was to let everyone know I was bowing out of trying to make a Thompson kit for the Ruger 1022 and that there was now a kit available in the States. My problem was that the cost of making these kits was to high considering how many people would be purchasing them. Well that problem has been solved. I have also spoken to a CNC outfit close to home and have some decent prices on producing the aluminum parts. My problem now is finding someone to manufacture the wood components, the butt stock, pistol grip and two different fore stocks for the Thompson. If any one can point me to a shop in Southern Ontario that could make these at a reasonable price, say 20 packages to start with, I would be most grateful.

If I can solve this one last problem you might just have a kit by mid summer. I still have lots of little details to figure out but I have some good help in the background so maybe this might actually come to fruition. All I can say is I will do my best to get you guys a nice Thompson kit if I possibly can. I will keep you posted.



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There's more pics of my first generation Thompson in this thread:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310695
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Awesome looking kit! If I were you, I would consider talking to Canada Ammo about a licensing agreement. I don't know how much $$$ you'd like to make, but what if you could make $20 off of every kit sold without having to do any additional work? Let Canada Ammo use his manufacturing contacts in China to produce the complete kit and let him worry about processing orders/shipping the product. If that doesn't work, maybe he could get the wood parts made and sell them to you?
 
Well fellows, I appreciate the words of support. I know every one you is just chomping at the bit to get a Thompson kit. I must say that even when I handle the prototype you see in the pics, it makes me feel like I have the real thing sitting in front of me. I mean it just feels so real and it looks so real. What a rush. Anyways, I just thought I would bring you up to date on where things stand with me and my little project.

Last month I was approached by a large INTERNET store that wants to help me get this kit up and running. They already have established markets in The United States as well as Europe and don't forget Canada of course. It was because of their help and this larger market that I decided to continue developing the Thompson project as a kit. They are providing excellent backup and advice to me for taking the kit public. Their identity will be made public when we launch the kit which, hopefully, will be before mid summer.

The design and detailed shop drawings were completed two weeks ago and the machining company has just recently been brought on board. I have met with them on several occasions to go through the drawings and make small tweaks in the design for production purposes. They have a large CNC machine that will be used to make the various aluminum parts. We are still working on getting the wood components produced or a supplier engaged. At the moment it appears that the stocks will probably be manufactured locally although this hasn't been confirmed 100%.

The stock set is the only item left to deal with and as its directly tied to the manufacture of our Thompson receiver. We can't produce any receivers until we get this one item resolved. But, I am confident it will be resolved shortly and there is no reason we can't begin manufacture of the smaller parts.

So there you go folks. We are on our way. I said I would do my best to get you people a Thompson kit and I will keep going barring a major catastrophe like the government bans 1022's or something stupid like that:p. So have some patience's and we will keep working on things here and provide you with updates as we progress.

John

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I thought I might give you just a little more information about the kit that the photo doesn't show since it is only a prototype at this point.

- a "Kit that actually looks like a Thompson"
- it will be finished in a black anodized finish.
- there will be a lot of little detailing that you don't see right now

Thats about it for now. There are lots of other little features but I will leave those for when we launch the product. The most important feature is
"100% MADE IN CANADA"

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