- Location
- Pile of Bones, SK
andersonarms.ca is selling them.
Ruger 10/22 Kits:
* "Krinker Plinker" 16" w/fake silencer: $520
* "Chicago" Style Tommy Gun: $550
http://www.andersonarms.ca/sales.html
andersonarms.ca is selling them.
Not always…most of these small time manufacturers have a minimum order. Sometimes it could be a minimum order of $2500.00 or more…That’s a lot of Kits!!!
There are also costs involved in importing/exporting goods commercially. Licence fees, broker fees, exchange rates, shipping and taxes, etc…If it were easy everyone would be doing it.
Well people, when I started this thread it was to let everyone know I was bowing out of trying to make a Thompson kit for the Ruger 1022 and that there was now a kit available in the States. My problem was that the cost of making these kits was to high considering how many people would be purchasing them. Well that problem has been solved. I have also spoken to a CNC outfit close to home and have some decent prices on producing the aluminum parts. My problem now is finding someone to manufacture the wood components, the butt stock, pistol grip and two different fore stocks for the Thompson. If any one can point me to a shop in Southern Ontario that could make these at a reasonable price, say 20 packages to start with, I would be most grateful.
If I can solve this one last problem you might just have a kit by mid summer. I still have lots of little details to figure out but I have some good help in the background so maybe this might actually come to fruition. All I can say is I will do my best to get you guys a nice Thompson kit if I possibly can. I will keep you posted.
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There's more pics of my first generation Thompson in this thread:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310695
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Originally Posted by johnnylo
There are many legal ways to do this. Heres a common senerio. A relative in the states buys it. You purchase the $100 export permit good for a year, good for fireasrms or parts. Parts are good as you do not need any paperwork from the CFC. There is a little but not excessive amounts of paperwork and takes about a month for a gun, If you have a relative in the states and it is only parts it will be quicker.
It is the same process you would go through if you were buying a gun in the US and bringing it back, only good thing is on this end there is no hold up at the border as nothing needs to have the registration checked, maybe just the tax paid.
If you already have an export permit and are waiting for a gun you can use it for this and then get another for the gun...
Why does everyone always assume it is illegal?
If you want one quicker there is a solution.
If you do it illegally and get caught then you will pay the price. Simple.
NICE TRY but WRONG!!!!
To get an export permit approved by the Dept of State REGARDLESS of the value, the manufacturer of the items being exported MUST be registered as a DDTC manufacturer, or the export permit is refused. End of story.
The $100.00 exemption is only applied to registered manufacturers End of story.
Fun Guns kit is OVER $100.00 so unless your US relative is planning on swearing a false value on the export documents hence breaking the law, it is still NOT legal to bring in the parts in this manner.
There are NO illegal parts in this kit, but the US laws require them to be shipped under the cover of an export permit , DESPITE the fact that the kits is some wood and metal bits, I don't like it anymore than anyone else, but it is the way it is.
To arrive at a final landed CDN price will be determined by the number of kits that we get asked for as well as the exchange rate when the kits are ordered and paid for..
YES I am buying them at a discounted price, that is what distributors do, HOWEVER there is the cost of the permits as relayed by Fun Gun in the quote of his that I posted to take into account.
This cost must be divided by the number of kits we are going to LEGALLY import.
If everyones intent is just break the law and buy them in the US and illegally smuggle them up then both Fun Gun and myself are wasting our time.
SO once again I ask how many are willing to put their money where their keyboard is and commit some $$ IN TRUST so we can get an accurate sense of how many kits we are talking about.
If the numbers make legal importation cost prohibitive I will be advisng the group of such and the deposits will be refunded in full, but until we get enough useful info neither Fun Gun or I am prepared to expose ourselves to the cost of the REQUIRED permit to legally import/export these kits.
SO let us try and get this thread back on track and hopefully move forward.
I am not an authority on importing an never claimed to be.
However, I was able to purchase a pistol using the method mentioned, the customs officer looked at it and thought it was cool (did not arrest me), and allowed me to legally pass into Canada. Did I pay tax, yes. There was prep work well in advance but it was when our dollar was higher than the American so it was well worth it.
THIS CAN BE DONE.
I have nothing against Alberta tactical and fully believe they should bring them in as they will no doubt easily sell in the Canadian market
I am just advising there are other ways which can eliminate the middle man and perhaps save someone some cash.
To many people are scared off by the couple of forms that need to be filled out and some phone calls. In the end it costs them more paying guns dealers to do it.
My point is simple, If a business can do it so can you and maybe quicker.
If my post stops the import of these then that is sad.
I have found that most border town gunstores in the US know the rules and will properly guide you.
I wonder how Andersonarms.ca got them?!?!?!
I import guns and gunparts almost everyday, I do this for a living, have done this for many years, so maybe I know a thing or 2 about importing and exporting.
I am NOT suggesting that an individual can not do exactly the same as a dealer does, by going through the proper depts that control the import and export of "Gun Parts". It is no different for a dealer than an individual.
HOWEVER
The method you described is TOTALLY illegal in both countries. To suggest to others to falsify documents and blatantly attempt to get others to break the import and export laws of 2 countries with BAD information, is ludicrous and should get you bounced off the forum for breach of forum rules.
To swear a false value or nature of the commodity is illeagal in the US as an exporter, just as it is in Canada as the importer.
The fact still remains that unless the manufacturer pays the US government, in this case in excess of $2200 dollars, the goods can NOT be legally exported at all, by anyone.
So if you want to incur the costs associated with exporting through LEGAL means it is expensive. Not nearly as expensive as if you get caught by either countries border control services for doing the import/export illegally though.
No idea, but if they are the same kits, they must be getting them from a 3rd party in the US because apparently Fun Gun isn't aware they are here.
ATR, are there other dealers interested in picking these up with you?
That picture alone makes me want one even more! How can you not smile with that in your hands. Is there some sort of list being taken of people interested in purchasing these from a Canadian dealer? Where do I sign!!
Well people, when I started this thread it was to let everyone know I was bowing out of trying to make a Thompson kit for the Ruger 1022 and that there was now a kit available in the States. My problem was that the cost of making these kits was to high considering how many people would be purchasing them. Well that problem has been solved. I have also spoken to a CNC outfit close to home and have some decent prices on producing the aluminum parts. My problem now is finding someone to manufacture the wood components, the butt stock, pistol grip and two different fore stocks for the Thompson. If any one can point me to a shop in Southern Ontario that could make these at a reasonable price, say 20 packages to start with, I would be most grateful.
If I can solve this one last problem you might just have a kit by mid summer. I still have lots of little details to figure out but I have some good help in the background so maybe this might actually come to fruition. All I can say is I will do my best to get you guys a nice Thompson kit if I possibly can. I will keep you posted.
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There's more pics of my first generation Thompson in this thread:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310695