1022 Tommy Gun Kit

ki11ercane said:
I am just curious as to what part of this kit is "illegal" to bring into Canada. Can someone please point that out to me?
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Nothing in the kit is illegal to bring into Canada.

The kit, however, is considered gun parts and to export them the US State Dept requires an export permit. Driving the kits out of the US without a permit is a felony offense.
 
There are many legal ways to do this. Heres a common senerio. A relative in the states buys it. You purchase the $100 export permit good for a year, good for fireasrms or parts. Parts are good as you do not need any paperwork from the CFC. There is a little but not excessive amounts of paperwork and takes about a month for a gun, If you have a relative in the states and it is only parts it will be quicker.

It is the same process you would go through if you were buying a gun in the US and bringing it back, only good thing is on this end there is no hold up at the border as nothing needs to have the registration checked, maybe just the tax paid.

If you already have an export permit and are waiting for a gun you can use it for this and then get another for the gun...

Why does everyone always assume it is illegal?

If you want one quicker there is a solution.

If you do it illegally and get caught then you will pay the price. Simple.
 
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What I would be curious to see is a list of the parts, then which parts are illegal to export as per the BATF. It's completely feasible to legally have someone in the U.S. do the permit and export the kits out of the U.S. without a concern or fuss.
 
There does seem to be a bit of conusion about what is legal to bring across the boarder. Just because an item is non prohib or is under $100 does NOT necessarily mean you can just bring it across the line. Especially as of late, companies are getting more strict about what parts they will export, and have to comply with all the regulations as well. Unless I am very misinformed, brining a barrel across the line requires a permit, as do many other parts.

I don't have an exact list of what is legal/illegal to take across the line but believe buying it from someone who has brought them in (such as Alberta Tactical rifle hopefully) would be the wise decision.
 
I don't get how any component in that kit can be considered a "gun part"

Show me any recognized gun on the planet that contains any components in the kit.

Looks like 3 pieces of walnut and a few pieces of aluminum to me...you can't call them "gun parts" unless they are actually needed to make part of a "gun"....and the 10/22 already exists.

Hmmm....people paint stocks with bedliner......does that make bedline a "gun part"?
Others are using stainless rod as an extended release....gun part? or just stainless rod?
How about laquer or true oil??

Just sayin.....
 
Wrong Way said:
I don't get how any component in that kit can be considered a "gun part"

Show me any recognized gun on the planet that contains any components in the kit.

Looks like 3 pieces of walnut and a few pieces of aluminum to me...you can't call them "gun parts" unless they are actually needed to make part of a "gun"....and the 10/22 already exists.

Hmmm....people paint stocks with bedliner......does that make bedline a "gun part"?
Others are using stainless rod as an extended release....gun part? or just stainless rod?
How about laquer or true oil??

Just sayin.....
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Semantics. Whether or not a piece of walnut is a stock depends on the maker's intent. The same goes for a piece of aluminum, steel, etc.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
........I am wondering if Fun Gun and I are wasting our time?
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The quick answer is absolutely not. There are many of us on here who have a genuine interest, and appreciate any and all efforts being made to that end by yourself and fun gun.
I would like to know, however, what the final cost to me would be, before I send you my CC number!
 
X2. Are you buying them at a discounted price or paying the same retail value that any of us would be paying if we directly had them sent up by "friends"

Im definitely in as long as the price is comparable to me going through a friend down there to get one sent up



Weapontech said:
The quick answer is absolutely not. There are many of us on here who have a genuine interest, and appreciate any and all efforts being made to that end by yourself and fun gun.
I would like to know, however, what the final cost to me would be, before I send you my CC number!
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Wildbore said:
Nothing in the kit is illegal to bring into Canada.

The kit, however, is considered gun parts and to export them the US State Dept requires an export permit. Driving the kits out of the US without a permit is a felony offense.
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That is not entirely true either. Not ALL gun parts require export permits. However the rules do seem to change faster than the weather
 
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johnnylo said:
There are many legal ways to do this. Heres a common senerio. A relative in the states buys it. You purchase the $100 export permit good for a year, good for fireasrms or parts. Parts are good as you do not need any paperwork from the CFC. There is a little but not excessive amounts of paperwork and takes about a month for a gun, If you have a relative in the states and it is only parts it will be quicker.

It is the same process you would go through if you were buying a gun in the US and bringing it back, only good thing is on this end there is no hold up at the border as nothing needs to have the registration checked, maybe just the tax paid.

If you already have an export permit and are waiting for a gun you can use it for this and then get another for the gun...

Why does everyone always assume it is illegal?

If you want one quicker there is a solution.

If you do it illegally and get caught then you will pay the price. Simple.
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NICE TRY but WRONG!!!!
To get an export permit approved by the Dept of State REGARDLESS of the value, the manufacturer of the items being exported MUST be registered as a DDTC manufacturer, or the export permit is refused. End of story.
The $100.00 exemption is only applied to registered manufacturers End of story.
Fun Guns kit is OVER $100.00 so unless your US relative is planning on swearing a false value on the export documents hence breaking the law, it is still NOT legal to bring in the parts in this manner.

There are NO illegal parts in this kit, but the US laws require them to be shipped under the cover of an export permit , DESPITE the fact that the kits is some wood and metal bits, I don't like it anymore than anyone else, but it is the way it is.

To arrive at a final landed CDN price will be determined by the number of kits that we get asked for as well as the exchange rate when the kits are ordered and paid for..
YES I am buying them at a discounted price, that is what distributors do, HOWEVER there is the cost of the permits as relayed by Fun Gun in the quote of his that I posted to take into account.
This cost must be divided by the number of kits we are going to LEGALLY import.
If everyones intent is just break the law and buy them in the US and illegally smuggle them up then both Fun Gun and myself are wasting our time.

SO once again I ask how many are willing to put their money where their keyboard is and commit some $$ IN TRUST so we can get an accurate sense of how many kits we are talking about.
If the numbers make legal importation cost prohibitive I will be advisng the group of such and the deposits will be refunded in full, but until we get enough useful info neither Fun Gun or I am prepared to expose ourselves to the cost of the REQUIRED permit to legally import/export these kits.

SO let us try and get this thread back on track and hopefully move forward.
 
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I'm not trying to single anyone out here, they're all pretty much guilty of this...

But has anyone else noticed that CANADIAN GUN DEALERS always seem to be the FOREMOST EXPERTS on US firearms laws? At least the ones that deal with us purchasing anything firearm related from anyone but them...

Of course it's not like it's in their best interest to fight these battles to the death, whether they're right or not, it's not like any proof is ever given, but I'm sure they just have our best interests at heart.

Thanks for caring! ;)
 
mopar guy said:
I'm not trying to single anyone out here, they're all pretty much guilty of this...

But has anyone else noticed that CANADIAN GUN DEALERS always seem to be the FOREMOST EXPERTS on US firearms laws? At least the ones that deal with us purchasing anything firearm related from anyone but them...

Of course it's not like it's in their best interest to fight these battles to the death, whether they're right or not, it's not like any proof is ever given, but I'm sure they just have our best interests at heart.

Thanks for caring! ;)
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The problem is that most of us dealer who post what is and isn't the rules are the 1s who spend a great deal of time importing stuff. Last year alone my imports were well over 1/2 million dollars , so in doing as much international trade as us dealer do, the 1s who are successful in business KNOW what the rules are, and they change frequently.
Those who do not know the rules get hammered with large fines a few times and are then prosqueted out of business.

Being not only a dealer in canada but a dealer in the US as well gives me a slight edge in knowing both countries laws.

You want proof apply for the licenses and bring in the product yourself. I would be more than happy for someone else to provide all the parts I need to import as 1) it would save me a ton of time, 2)it would save me a ton of aggravation, and 3) you could be the 1 trying to educate and defend what is truth and what is BS

Spend some time and get the facts you seem to doubt us dealers on.
Let me know what you learn.
 
mopar guy said:
I'm not trying to single anyone out here, they're all pretty much guilty of this...

But has anyone else noticed that CANADIAN GUN DEALERS always seem to be the FOREMOST EXPERTS on US firearms laws? At least the ones that deal with us purchasing anything firearm related from anyone but them...

Of course it's not like it's in their best interest to fight these battles to the death, whether they're right or not, it's not like any proof is ever given, but I'm sure they just have our best interests at heart.

Thanks for caring! ;)
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Of course they're the experts. They deal with this #### every ####ing day! :rolleyes:
 
vettes said:
X2. Are you buying them at a discounted price or paying the same retail value that any of us would be paying if we directly had them sent up by "friends"

Im definitely in as long as the price is comparable to me going through a friend down there to get one sent up
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You can't expect a business to import something, and sell it to you at the same price they paid. The importer/business owner has got to eat too.
 
vettes said:
X2. Are you buying them at a discounted price or paying the same retail value that any of us would be paying if we directly had them sent up by "friends"

Im definitely in as long as the price is comparable to me going through a friend down there to get one sent up
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So you're in as long as the price is comparable to what it would cost you to illegally smuggle the item out of the US? :confused:
 
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