1022 Tommy Gun Kit

The whole point of a dealer selling an item is he gets it at a discounted price from the manufacturer (below sugg retail) . If store/retailer paid the same price as a regular customer from the manufacturer, we wouldn't need stores now would we?



ShooterPHD said:
You can't expect a business to import something, and sell it to you at the same price they paid. The importer/business owner has got to eat too.
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vettes said:
Well, for one i haven't seen anything that states its legal or illegal in anyway to get it up here. I would be willing to support a local dealer, but im not willing to pay alot more than I could buy it myself for.
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Have you looked for any specific information or are you waiting for the US State Department to call you out of the blue and advise you? The information is all out there, but the onus is unfortunately on you to know whether or not what you are (or plan on) doing violates US law... The Canadian side is easy.
 
vettes said:
Well, for one i haven't seen anything that states its legal or illegal in anyway to get it up here. I would be willing to support a local dealer, but im not willing to pay alot more than I could buy it myself for.
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Got a GREAT plan for you then.
Take you newest nicest vehicle and drive to the US, but a kit may as well stock up on ammo while you are there as well, and IF you make it through the US side without encountering an egress check and loosing you car, and getting heavily fined, not to mention a newly acquired persona non grata status, fine you got a bargain.
IF however you do get stopped and loose the car, get $10000.00 worth of fines , a few days to get to know what a jail house looks like 1st hand, you may find that legally exported, although slightly more expensive gun related items truly ARE a bargain.

In the imortal words of Dirty Harry
Do ya feel lucky......:bangHead:
 
So is this a dead issue or should Fun Gun and I keep working at trying to supply these kits into the Canadian marketplace?
I have not had any reponses that indicate anyone is prepared to place a confirmed order.
 
Well I for one DID IN FACT EMAIL YOU, saying that I was definately interested in one of each model - SUBJECT TO FINAL COSTING.

I realize that determining cost depends on quantity of orders, but I will not totally commit until I know whether I am committing to $250, $500, or $750+.

I am sure these things will sell, if the price is realistic. By the time all of the components for a Nordic kit are assembled there is a $400- 500 investment plus the 10/22. A Krinker kit is $400. Fab's new kit is around $300 plus the AR components.

Maybe just determine an approximate price of say $500 and see what the response is. If the final price works out to be less, or the interest is not there, try $450.

OR, try a poll.

Anyway, you have my email so I'm on the want to buy list - subject to an affordable price. Personally knowing what the US price is, for an all-inclusive kit (minus the 10/22) I would pay a maximum of $500 to support a Canadian business.
 
flip1 said:
Well I for one DID IN FACT EMAIL YOU, saying that I was definately interested in one of each model - SUBJECT TO FINAL COSTING.

I realize that determining cost depends on quantity of orders, but I will not totally commit until I know whether I am committing to $250, $500, or $750+.

I am sure these things will sell, if the price is realistic. By the time all of the components for a Nordic kit are assembled there is a $400- 500 investment plus the 10/22. A Krinker kit is $400. Fab's new kit is around $300 plus the AR components.

Maybe just determine an approximate price of say $500 and see what the response is. If the final price works out to be less, or the interest is not there, try $450.

OR, try a poll.

Anyway, you have my email so I'm on the want to buy list - subject to an affordable price. Personally knowing what the US price is, for an all-inclusive kit (minus the 10/22) I would pay a maximum of $500 to support a Canadian business.
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That you did and I apologize. You were the only 1 who said yes and backed it up with an email, with the proviso of price. This is the point here, is to find out how many WILL place an order so we know how many to divide the export costs by.
So as it stands if only you and I each buy 1 kit the kits will be over $1500.00.
As much as I hate to say it I have been left holding the bag a few too many times by guys stating they will buy something, then changing their minds or loosing their job or whatever, which is why I posted that to pony up some refundable cash if the number of kits is not sufficient to warrant the export costs, to try and seperate those who really WILL committ from those who want stuff sometime maybe, sort of....

I am trying to help out a manufacturer of a great product AND the Canadian gun culture get together, but so far don't seem to be getting much help in trying to make it happen.
 
I sent you a PM as well stating that I would purchase one depending on the price. Once I know the price and if I feel it is reasonable I'd be more than happy to leave a $200 deposit. I might even get two depending on the price.

alberta tactical rifle said:
That you did and I apologize. You were the only 1 who said yes and backed it up with an email, with the proviso of price. This is the point here, is to find out how many WILL place an order so we know how many to divide the export costs by.
So as it stands if only you and I each buy 1 kit the kits will be over $1500.00.
As much as I hate to say it I have been left holding the bag a few too many times by guys stating they will buy something, then changing their minds or loosing their job or whatever, which is why I posted that to pony up some refundable cash if the number of kits is not sufficient to warrant the export costs, to try and seperate those who really WILL committ from those who want stuff sometime maybe, sort of....

I am trying to help out a manufacturer of a great product AND the Canadian gun culture get together, but so far don't seem to be getting much help in trying to make it happen.
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It's fun to give US laws but we see that on the website :

Methods of Payments
Cash
Money order
Visa or Mastercard add 3% transaction fee
Certified Cheque

Do you know it's prohibed in Canada to add fee on Visa or Mastercard payments ;)
 
AlanD said:
It's fun to give US laws but we see that on the website :

Methods of Payments
Cash
Money order
Visa or Mastercard add 3% transaction fee
Certified Cheque

Do you know it's prohibed in Canada to add fee on Visa or Mastercard payments ;)
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Collector's Source always got me to pay cash by saying I would have to pay huge fees to pay by credit card. Those dastards.
 
Would you have any trouble getting either types of the mags....? the Pro Mag Drum Magazine or the MWG Stick Magazine?

Be a terrible thing to have the either style of kit and stuck to use factory magazines....
 
A Change of heart

Well people, when I started this thread it was to let everyone know I was bowing out of trying to make a Thompson kit for the Ruger 1022 and that there was now a kit available in the States. My problem was that the cost of making these kits was to high considering how many people would be purchasing them. Well that problem has been solved. I have also spoken to a CNC outfit close to home and have some decent prices on producing the aluminum parts. My problem now is finding someone to manufacture the wood components, the butt stock, pistol grip and two different fore stocks for the Thompson. If any one can point me to a shop in Southern Ontario that could make these at a reasonable price, say 20 packages to start with, I would be most grateful.

If I can solve this one last problem you might just have a kit by mid summer. I still have lots of little details to figure out but I have some good help in the background so maybe this might actually come to fruition. All I can say is I will do my best to get you guys a nice Thompson kit if I possibly can. I will keep you posted.



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There's more pics of my first generation Thompson in this thread:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310695
 
Walnut is so expensive. Perhaps you could produce Beech stocks.

In London, ON, we have AJ's woodworking. I'm not sure if they do custom work.

Also:

Gordon's Custom Woodwork - 519-268-7906
3949 Catherine , Dorchester , ON N0L 1G0

I deal with these guys all the time:
Phillmore Enterprises - 519-471-3707
1092 Sarnia Road , London , ON N6H 5K1

This is funny considering your project:
Thompson Custom Design - 519-471-2777
1055 Sarnia Road , London , ON N6H 5J9






Mr AR15 said:
Well people, when I started this thread it was to let everyone know I was bowing out of trying to make a Thompson kit for the Ruger 1022 and that there was now a kit available in the States. My problem was that the cost of making these kits was to high considering how many people would be purchasing them. Well that problem has been solved. I have also spoken to a CNC outfit close to home and have some decent prices on producing the aluminum parts. My problem now is finding someone to manufacture the wood components, the butt stock, pistol grip and two different fore stocks for the Thompson. If any one can point me to a shop in Southern Ontario that could make these at a reasonable price, say 20 packages to start with, I would be most grateful.

If I can solve this one last problem you might just have a kit by mid summer. I still have lots of little details to figure out but I have some good help in the background so maybe this might actually come to fruition. All I can say is I will do my best to get you guys a nice Thompson kit if I possibly can. I will keep you posted.



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There's more pics of my first generation Thompson in this thread:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310695
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AlanD said:
It's fun to give US laws but we see that on the website :

Methods of Payments
Cash
Money order
Visa or Mastercard add 3% transaction fee
Certified Cheque

Do you know it's prohibed in Canada to add fee on Visa or Mastercard payments ;)
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No it isn't prohibited. Why should the store swallow the cost of the Credit card Transaction when you don't pay cash.

Almost every store I deal with has Cash Discounted prices.
Credit cards add 29.%-5.5 %
 
Regarding credit cards, I won't criticize any specific businesses, but I am in business and will state international credit card laws:

A business loses a percentage of the sale to the credit card companies, and that is normally around 3% but can be anywhere from 1-6.5% depending on the volume of business.

However, they cannot charge extra for use of credit cards.

BUT, they can give a discount for cash.

OR, if the majority of sales are credit card based, then they just build the percentage into their price.

Either way the consumer pays it.
 
vettes said:
The whole point of a dealer selling an item is he gets it at a discounted price from the manufacturer (below sugg retail) . If store/retailer paid the same price as a regular customer from the manufacturer, we wouldn't need stores now would we?
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Not always…most of these small time manufacturers have a minimum order. Sometimes it could be a minimum order of $2500.00 or more…That’s a lot of Kits!!!

There are also costs involved in importing/exporting goods commercially. Licence fees, broker fees, exchange rates, shipping and taxes, etc…If it were easy everyone would be doing it.
 
Getting back on track - Fun Gun has a nice kit, and I applaud him for getting it to the market stage, and Tactical for doing the liasons towards getting it up here. I was close to putting my money where my mouth is, but afraid to say it just doesn't quite cover enough of the receiver for me to abandon my 10/22 tommy gun project. I like MrAR's and will buy it if he gets it marketed.
 
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