T97 News.. not good.
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This is a false statement, they are under review.
There is a lot of fear mongering going on here.
Wait for CanAm to get a written response from CBSA and RCMP.
Then we will know what is going on with the Type 97A
Everything until that point is hearsay.
I deal with the Government every day to get approvals for Gravel Pits and LOCs etc, and that can take 2 years before it is approved. The government takes a VERY long time to get small amounts of work done.
Keep writing letters, I have, but there is to much fear mongering going on by some, and to much apathy by others.
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I just don't get this whole mess...
The rifle meets the specs...so he is allowed to import it.
The shipment gets to customs and now they are pulling a fast one, the rule book has changed?
What has changed since the Tavor was approved? Why did they allow that to go through?
I just don't get it....
I guess in the future he will have to bring in about 24....get them approved then do a mass order?
What a joke the RCMP, Customs, and CFC have turned this into...
The rifle meets the specs...so he is allowed to import it.
The shipment gets to customs and now they are pulling a fast one, the rule book has changed?
What has changed since the Tavor was approved? Why did they allow that to go through?
I just don't get it....
I guess in the future he will have to bring in about 24....get them approved then do a mass order?
What a joke the RCMP, Customs, and CFC have turned this into...
IF these rifles are standard military selective fire rifles, with a semi auto trigger pack dropped in, that could still accept the original selective fire mechanism, that is a problem. IF they have a redesigned receiver that will NOT accept the selective fire components, and only semi auto ones, that should be a different situation.
Does anyone know what the exact mechanical arrangement of the previously imported Lever Arms rifles is, or that of the CanAm rifles now in limbo?
The CZ rifles that are already in circulation, are still transferable, and have not been reclassified, have receivers which will not accept the selective fire components.
It has been said that just because you are parnoid doesn't mean that someone isn't out to get you.... but it is possible that the problem does relate to the mechanical design of the rifles.
Bear with me for a moment, but what models do we know of where the only difference between the full and semi auto version is just the trigger pack?
G36 comes to mind. Any others you can think of??
I'm just curious if there is an established pattern outside of the OIC guns.
The customs will eventually have to release the 97s to CanAm. It's just a matter of time.
It doesn't matter what status it is. Dealers like CanAm and Marstar can handle prohibited firearms.
After that, they need to apply a new FRT number, that's where the trick is. And that's where Marstar get screwed.
We will see.
It doesn't matter what status it is. Dealers like CanAm and Marstar can handle prohibited firearms.
After that, they need to apply a new FRT number, that's where the trick is. And that's where Marstar get screwed.
We will see.
Essentially that is what happened. Lever imported them, they were classified as restricted (bbl under 18.5"). Logic would dictate that by lengthening the barrel it would be non-restricted. So Canam orders up a ####load of them under a new FRT# for a non-restricted version with a longer barrel and then the RCMP gets their panties in a twist and starts prohibitig stuff...
That is not the case. What you said is the US BATF definition of FA.
In canada, the long standing policy is that if it is out of the original factory as a semi, it is a semi. They can do whatever in the original factory and convert semi from FA, as long as it is out of the original factory as semi only. Only 3rd party conversion makes a weapon converted auto.
In canada, the long standing policy is that if it is out of the original factory as a semi, it is a semi. They can do whatever in the original factory and convert semi from FA, as long as it is out of the original factory as semi only. Only 3rd party conversion makes a weapon converted auto.
Following in what Greentips just said, werent these T-9* rifles originally made for the Chinese military and to use the military round 5.8X42mm ?
Then for export they made new recievers for them to fit the common 5.56x45 round we use. Wouldnt this mean they would not be capable of fitting the old select fire mech. as the FA?
Then for export they made new recievers for them to fit the common 5.56x45 round we use. Wouldnt this mean they would not be capable of fitting the old select fire mech. as the FA?
No. The 5.56 is for export only, the receiver is different from the Chinese T95. Burma, some African nations and Sri Lanka apparently are some of the clients.
THey probably have an inventory of parts already. So they probably take a grinder or something to some of the fire control parts at the original factory. THis makes perfect economic sense. It is possibly the "manual work" is so rough that looks like a 3 party doing a garage job. That probably raises someone's eyebrow as they suspect it is a 3rd party job.
With the original Lever import, you can actually flip the fire control lever to the Full auto position - but nothing will happen. The receiver was probably cut by the CNC as the typical rifle. Then someone manually work on the detail to make it semi.
THey probably have an inventory of parts already. So they probably take a grinder or something to some of the fire control parts at the original factory. THis makes perfect economic sense. It is possibly the "manual work" is so rough that looks like a 3 party doing a garage job. That probably raises someone's eyebrow as they suspect it is a 3rd party job.
With the original Lever import, you can actually flip the fire control lever to the Full auto position - but nothing will happen. The receiver was probably cut by the CNC as the typical rifle. Then someone manually work on the detail to make it semi.
No, if that were the case, the AR type rifles being sold in Canada could have M-16 lowers with semi auto parts in them, and the Czech rifles would not have altered receivers. Is there any recent import that has a receiver capable of accepting selective fire trigger components without alteration?
Not that I know of, but there are several AR lowers that I have personally seen, are classed as restricted, yet have the extra hole in them for the auto sear....
The first batch of CZ 858 did some AR s did as well as the AR 15 DOE 9mm guns
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the T97 in it's present form is easily converted to FA. And therefore it's the reason they want to prohib/reclassify them... Perhaps there's just as "easy a way" to make them "difficult" to convert to FA - Welded part, Big UZI washer etc...
Maybe a quick solution would be to correct the perceived problem and voila... they have absolutely no argument. The RCMP inspectors who "made this discovery" certainly have at least one method to correct it - I would if I were in their position...
Maybe a quick solution would be to correct the perceived problem and voila... they have absolutely no argument. The RCMP inspectors who "made this discovery" certainly have at least one method to correct it - I would if I were in their position...
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This isn't new info. All "information officers" are given the same info to prevent tranasfers, same as the CFO I would suspect. The T97's are "still under review".
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