GERMAN MEDALS at garage sale

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I met a canadian veteran of WWII when he was travelling through newfoundland about 10 years ago.When he found out I had a keen interest in WWII he began talking about he experiences.
Before he left for newfoundland he went to see a dying friend who was in his unit when they landed on D-day.On his death bed he made a confession to him, that on june 8 he was suppose to escort 7 german prisoners back to battalion headquaters.About a mile back in a small ravine he shot all 7.

I also met an american who was involved in the shooting of 29 german prisoners in the Vosges mountains of France.

War is hell and atrocities happened on both sides
 
I met a canadian veteran of WWII when he was travelling through newfoundland about 10 years ago.When he found out I had a keen interest in WWII he began talking about he experiences.
Before he left for newfoundland he went to see a dying friend who was in his unit when they landed on D-day.On his death bed he made a confession to him, that on june 8 he was suppose to escort 7 german prisoners back to battalion headquaters.About a mile back in a small ravine he shot all 7.

I also met an american who was involved in the shooting of 29 german prisoners in the Vosges mountains of France.

War is hell and atrocities happened on both sides

Exactly and well said. It will make the "Do Gooders" with Blinders on maybe "Shut Up" now, if they can read.
 
Ah f**k.. you again!!! why do you insist on stiring up s**t on this site? Your the only one hiding behind something, ie your computer. Rant on turd. Mods if you don't sort this guy out for trolling this Legitimate Thread then why do you exist is my question.
Thank You and Desert Fox#15 and Goozyman#21 and Coyote Ugly#37 for this fine sample of highly cultural expresions of the master race. As to those pointing fingers at their US friends, I say shame on you. Yes, I said friends, because they could opt not to land on Normandy and leave you to Russians. david doyle#26, I don't, but uncle Stalin had final solution for Germans. Belive me, after 10% of population being eliminated and another 10% send to Gulags in Siberia, they would embrace comunism for 50 years with "enthusiasm", just like Eastern Europeans and Ostis did. They are also lucky that USA had nukes and Rusians didn't, when it mattered. Also lucky that General Patton opinion prevail and they got Marshal Plan instead air marshal Harris plan. Altough, the more I think about it, the more I think the later one had a good point too. After all didn't the Germans demand TOTAL war? Lastly, ...about those medals. They are worth whatever somebody will pay for them. For me they belong in garage sale for the price of current scrap metal.
 
Thank You and Desert Fox#15 and Goozyman#21 and Coyote Ugly#37 for this fine sample of highly cultural expresions of the master race. As to those pointing fingers at their US friends, I say shame on you. Yes, I said friends, because they could opt not to land on Normandy and leave you to Russians. david doyle#26, I don't, but uncle Stalin had final solution for Germans. Belive me, after 10% of population being eliminated and another 10% send to Gulags in Siberia, they would embrace comunism for 50 years with "enthusiasm", just like Eastern Europeans and Ostis did. They are also lucky that USA had nukes and Rusians didn't, when it mattered. Also lucky that General Patton opinion prevail and they got Marshal Plan instead air marshal Harris plan. Altough, the more I think about it, the more I think the later one had a good point too. After all didn't the Germans demand TOTAL war? Lastly, ...about those medals. They are worth whatever somebody will pay for them. For me they belong in garage sale for the price of current scrap metal.

if patton had his way, they would have marched all the way to moscow, the remnants of the german army in tow. anybody that thinks that a strickly german-soviet war would have resulted in a clear cut victory for either side needs to do more research.
 
really?
july 25, 1914 - serbia mobilizes, then austria-hungary mobilizes
july 26, 1914 - russia issues mobilization standby orders
july 27, 1914 - france issues mobilization stanby orders
july 28, 1914 - austria-hungary declares war on serbia
july 29, 1914 - russia mobilizes
july 31, 1914 - germany issues mobilization standby orders
july 31, 1914 - german ultimatums; france to remain neutral, russia to demobilizes. both rejected.
july 31, 1914 - france mobilizes
august 1, 1914 - germany mobilizes, declares war on russia
august 3, 1914 - germany declares war on france

prior to july 25, it was mainly a serbia/austria-hungary issue with the overriding concern of russian involvement. the german kaiser was on his yacht and got the details from a newspaper! and the german high command was not informed by the austrians what they were up to.

so what exactly in the timeline indicates that germany is guilty of trying to take over the world? both russia and france mobilized before germany, if you care to look on a map of 1914 europe, you can see that this was not a tolerable situation for germany. germany's planners had long recognized that the only chance for victory in a two front war was to knock france out quickly, then deal with russia.

germany had been at peace since the founding of the empire in 1871, how many of the other countries involved could say the same?

Hard to say what might have happened if germany had not declared war. Perhaps they would have been invaded. I don't think that they had any plan to "take over the world" at that time, but Hitler I believe killed the Kaiser and the rest is well know. There is good and bad in all people. I am not in any way suggesting that all germans were brainwashed at that time. But a lot were mesmerized by him and evil prevailed.
 
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Hard to say what might have happened if germany had not declared war. Perhaps they would have been invaded. I don't think that they had any plan to "take over the world" at that time, but Hitler I believe killed the Kaiser and the rest is well know. There is good and bad in all people. I am not in any way suggesting that all germans were brainwashed at that time. But a lot were mesmerized by him and evil prevailed.
Er... Kaiser Wilhelm II abdicated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution
 
check up on German war aims of WW1. Interestingly, part of what they set out to accomplish with the Great War has largely been achieved with the creation of the European Union. With history, more often than not, you can follow the money.

Enough trolling gunrunner. Everyone comitted atrocities, and somehow, history written by the winners tends to be a little more sympathetic to it's own side. The benefits of winning...
 
It's always easy to trot out the generalities about "everyone does it", which is why people always do. The history is there for those who want to study it and really understand what happened and why.

After the massacres of Canadian POW's by the SS, a lot of those goons got shot whether trying to surrender or not. No loss in my book. They were massacring British prisoners in 1940 and kept doing it right through the war. Not to mention all the Poles, Belgians, French, Czechs, Dutch, Russians, Greeks, Italians. You get the picture?

My Lai was an eternal disgrace to the USA, and in WWII there were thousands of My Lais. I'm not aware of any committed by the Western Allies however. And to those who got their history from "The Valor and the Horror", :rolleyes: save your breath!

It's interesting to see the generational breakdown here. Those who were old enough to be there have no illusions, while most of those of my age, don't know or don't care, or both. Sad. Those vets should have talked more.

Holy CRAP YOUR A FRICKEN HIPPOCRIT...YA DONT WORRY BOUT THE SPELLING IM SURE YOU KNOW YOU ARE.
 
i am allways in foul mood, whenever i see those "hero" crosses and other german militaria. Whatever the reason those medals were given, it was for wrong cause. Regardless the bravery, how somebody be a hero to decimate and enslave dozens of other nations with never ending agresions over the centuries? If it comes to my grammar; english is not my mother language, not even the second, so i have nothing to appologise for. Also; i am 6'3" and 250lbs and like elephant in pottery store, if i happen to have stepped on couple of sensitive toes, i don't appologise either!

mods get this troll! Greentips c'mon why do yu let this guy keep on trolling leget threads to stir up hatred? You have banned others off of this site for same or lesser things.
 
I met a canadian veteran of WWII when he was travelling through newfoundland about 10 years ago.When he found out I had a keen interest in WWII he began talking about he experiences.
Before he left for newfoundland he went to see a dying friend who was in his unit when they landed on D-day.On his death bed he made a confession to him, that on june 8 he was suppose to escort 7 german prisoners back to battalion headquaters.About a mile back in a small ravine he shot all 7.

I also met an american who was involved in the shooting of 29 german prisoners in the Vosges mountains of France.

War is hell and atrocities happened on both sides

You have to realize the depth of animosity aroused by two world wars and the incalculable suffering those wars caused. The generations that lived through those events had a pretty clear idea of what happened and by 1944/45 they had had enough of the "master race" and seeing their friends and relations die in not one, but two useless wars. Considering that the Germans, oops, "Nazis", planned to deport every adult male in Britain as slave labour, exterminate the Poles and Russians and other "untermensch" etc. I'd say they got off pretty easy.

"History is written by the victors". Yes, and who really won?? I think I can see.
 
Who died of lung cancer.

Hitler taught him to smoke ;)

You have to realize the depth of animosity aroused by two world wars and the incalculable suffering those wars caused. The generations that lived through those events had a pretty clear idea of what happened and by 1944/45 they had had enough of the "master race" and seeing their friends and relations die in not one, but two useless wars. Considering that the Germans, oops, "Nazis", planned to deport every adult male in Britain as slave labour, exterminate the Poles and Russians and other "untermensch" etc. I'd say they got off pretty easy.

"History is written by the victors". Yes, and who really won?? I think I can see.

A lot of ignorance here, especially that British slave labour crap.

NO EXCUSES for any soldier on any side in any war. Just because you hate someone is not a justification to commit atrocities even if your hatred is well based. Hitler & the Nazis hated the Jewish people and felt that they were the cause for all the problems in Germany, is that any excuse for the holocaust?

The point IS NOT who did it first. That's a BS cop-out for people who feel they have to justify themselves as better than those they wish to demonize. No one here is saying that German soldiers were innocent of these crimes but your claim that "they did it first" as an excuse is just daft.

The REAL point in defeating Nazi Germany was to be able to stand tall on our ethics and say "We're better than you". Instead you would have us say "We are the same, but you were first, so that makes us better".

Hypocrite.
 
A lot of ignorance here, especially that British slave labour crap.
Specifically laid out in the occupation plans. Please expand on your "analysis".

NO EXCUSES for any soldier on any side in any war. Just because you hate someone is not a justification to commit atrocities even if your hatred is well based. Hitler & the Nazis hated the Jewish people and felt that they were the cause for all the problems in Germany, is that any excuse for the holocaust?

The point IS NOT who did it first. That's a BS cop-out for people who feel they have to justify themselves as better than those they wish to demonize. No one here is saying that German soldiers were innocent of these crimes but your claim that "they did it first" as an excuse is just daft.

The REAL point in defeating Nazi Germany was to be able to stand tall on our ethics and say "We're better than you". Instead you would have us say "We are the same, but you were first, so that makes us better".

Hypocrite.

Name-calling now, eh? Sure sign of strong case. "We are the same..." Where exactly did I say that again?

I'll spell it out, again. Some people seem to think that 3 or 10, or 30 (whatever, pick your number) soldiers whose surrender was refused, or who were murdered after surrendering, is the moral equivalent of deliberately planned wars of aggression, the enslavement of nations, genocide of whole races, the destruction of thousands of towns and villages and millions of innocent civilians, causing the death by starvation of millions of POWs, etc. etc. ad nauseam. There is no moral equivalency, at all, and anyone who pretends there is is a either a fool, an ignoramus, or a "Nazi" apologist, or as is usually the case, all three.

It's not about "excuses" it's about human nature. If you're fighting an enemy (for the second time in two generations) who starts killing your comrades in arms after they are taken prisoner, (among a whole raft of other atrocities committed against other people) it's a bit like someone hitting you in the face, you either punch back in anger, or you say, "No, hitting people is wrong, I'm going to call the police." If that's your style, great. Easy to say in an armchair of course. :rolleyes:

Soldiers in combat tend to take care of these things in their own way however. Rough justice? Sure, wars can be rough I understand.

I like to think I wouldn't shoot someone who was trying to surrender, even if that enemy had inflicted more misery on the world than anyone since Genghis Khan, and even if I'd heard they killed my comrades in cold blood, but something tells me I can't be 100% sure.

Personally I'm sorry for those vets who found themselves in that position and occasionally did things in the heat of anger that most of them regretted later. A damn sight more sorry than I am for their former enemies, who did far, far worse, far more times and don't seem to lose much sleep over it.

Oh, and if you want to get legalistic about it, when a country repeatedly and deliberately violates treaties and conventions to which it is a voluntary signatory, those treaties and conventions become null and void and that country loses any claim to be treated under the terms and conditions of those treaties and conventions.

We demonstrated our moral superiority by adhering to those treaties and conventions even after they had been thrown in our faces, repeatedly.
 
OK OK OK,

Originally all I wanted to do was find out what theses medals were worth, and I got a pretty good idea. Yes it was a good find, and thank you to all those who contributed to the medal question.

Due to the change in topic in this thread, it will now be removed. It was originally about the medals and has now turned into a debate about the wars. This is a sensitive topic and it shows the emotion that is still behind these Nazi relics.

Thank you all for your contributions to this thread but I have now been asked to have it removed. If anyone has any questions about the medals, please PM me.

Dutchie
 
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