New Handgun Rip-Offs

Rutger said:
If that still does not sink in, think about it in these terms; What is it you do to earn an income? What service or product do you do to earn the money that supports your shooting habits and your wife's bon-bon addiction? Now imagine that your boss, or your customer decided he could get your labour, your product or your service at a discount, from a foreign source...
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Yup, I work in the animation industry and over the last 25 years our market place has been gutted for exactly this reason....and all to just produce cheaper, inferior product.

Understanding value is a funny thing, and I have seen many shooters spend 30 bucks on gas to save two bucks on a box of primers and then turn around and say what a great deal they got! By all means, purchase from whomever suits your needs best, but just keep in mind that the price price isn't always the only cost.....
 
Hmm, very interesting topic and pop up almost every month, interesting thing is people don't know one us dallor is not equal to one Canadian dallors. If you don't like the price here, go to the state and buy your gun, at the end of the day, all the gun store couldn't live and close, where do we buy ammos and reloading supply? fair enough, do all the paper work and import permit ,go to the State and buy you own ammos, I didn't intend to say good things for the gunstore but I know how a business work, why they have to do it for free. Do you think our gun dealers can get the same whole sale price as American gun store? base on the volume that we consum here, I don't think so. Even our Canada gun maker Para, sell there gun cheaper in the state than here.

Life will be happier if you don't think too much

Trigun
 
thank goodness for 10 round mags and 5 round rifle mags! if we didn't have them pinned can you imagine how much more ammo we would go through? lol

sorry, it was a joke, but still, this hobby is definitely not the cheapest, but it's my one and only hobby that i love so much :) i'll bite the bullet, get a part time job just to afford the ammo :D
 
I Blame the unions. No wonder these companies are going off shore! When the starting wage at chrysler or chevy is 25 bucks an hour no wonder they can't afford to keep plants open. Cmon you work on an assembly line its not skilled labor. Or the construction worker getting the same for holding a stop sign, and turning it every 3 minutes. But no it is my fault for going to the states to buy something. If you all lived this close to the border you would to. If you say you wouldn't your a liar.
 
mlehtovaara said:
I Blame the unions. No wonder these companies are going off shore! When the starting wage at chrysler or chevy is 25 bucks an hour no wonder they can't afford to keep plants open. Cmon you work on an assembly line its not skilled labor. Or the construction worker getting the same for holding a stop sign, and turning it every 3 minutes. But no it is my fault for going to the states to buy something. If you all lived this close to the border you would to. If you say you wouldn't your a liar.
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Nothing wrong go to the state and buy something cheaper, we all live on a budget but we all should prepair because gun hobby is one of the expensive darkside.

Trigun
 
liberal-hater said:
No, we do not. It's too crowded around these parts now, within 100 miles of the US border. Unless maybe you can force the new imports to live in the far north.
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Hey! You can keep them. What exactly do you think lives here now? Philipino's, Somolians, Zimbabwians, Pakistani's, Afghani's. I only know 3 white cab drivers,(2 of which are from Croatia, one from Quebec) and we have upwards of 145 cabs in yellowknife. If they changed the immigration laws tomorrow, I wouldn't be able to find enough people to have a good snowball fight up here.
 
What I want to know is this: all you guys who are against the border-crossers because it's taking money away from Canadian gun businesses...do you also make sure you don't buy from a cheaper, online realtor if you could buy the same gun for more money at a local brick-and-mortar store?

After all they've got more expenses and more mouths to feed! No fair buying a Stag from ArmsEast for $1600 if Bob's Bait and Boomsticks on the way out of town has one for $2800. Think of Bob's expenses! Don't you want the sport to grow?

####, if I could drive over the border and buy Glocks for US pricing + $100, I would do it in a second, and then my monthly gun budget would allow me to buy more mags etc from Wolverine and more new mounts etc. from guys like NEA and Rauch Tactical, who I REALLY want to support.

But if I have to blow my monthly budget on 1/4 of a gun at Bob's Bait and Boomsticks, I just can't also support NEA and RT.

So why is Bob's Bait and Boomsticks not worried about how they're ruining the Canadian shooting scene? After all they're taking my money and preventing it from supporting Canadian startup companies.

Some of you guys ought to be voting NDP with all the restrictions on buying you would like to see! As a capitalist, though, I have to support the FREE market. Not the artificially controlled, propped up by some system designed to get people to pay more market!
 
It will be cool to be able to buy pistol or AR rifle, which is legal in Canada in US using some kind of form, like form 6. If someone is a frequent in US, and is a shooter, why not. Only thing we need to do is re-register at the border and we have pistol at the bargain price and maybe then some will be more realistic with their prices.
 
Think of the gunstores overhead... LOL! I think of mine! I would be buying at bgc in a heartbeat if i saved a big chunk of change...
 
Personally I don't care where you get anything. Yes sometimes I buy cheaper things, we all do. However when doing so I don't take the extra time to whine about it being expensive locally, or start internet threads about it. I keep my mouth shut and buy it, case closed. I think thats the point a lot of people are trying to make.
 
misanthropist said:
Some of you guys ought to be voting NDP with all the restrictions on buying you would like to see! As a capitalist, though, I have to support the FREE market. Not the artificially controlled, propped up by some system designed to get people to pay more market!
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Hmmm, interesting how a respectfully presented yet differing opinion always seems to garner personal insults on these forums. So because I personally CHOOSE when possible to support our local economy I am therefore NDP?? Because I like the idea of having a gun shop around that I can walk into and talk with a live body, shoot the breeze, maybe buy some ammo or a knife, or a gun case, or a pair of boots, or maybe even buy a gun that I can actually hold in my hands and look at first if I want, rather than deal with some faceless entity on the internet who has zero overhead to consider and offers nothing other than maybe a slightly better price....this makes me some kind of commie? Or as TheManInBlack says in an earlier post, I'm simply an idiot?

Great arguments guys. Very well thought out.

It's interesting how people will say things on the internet they wouldn't say to your face. Sure sure, you'll say here that you have no problem leveling these insults to one's face, but it's interesting how that has never happened yet in any of the personal debates I've had over the last 30 years....

Note that I only mention what I do and why, not what I think others should do. But here's the thing; buy what you want, when you want, from WHOME you want. It's your money and your choice and that's how free enterprise is supposed to work. Just don't complain when there aren't any gun shops around anymore. As Robert Heinlein said; there ain't no such thing as a free lunch (tanstaafl).

I'll step out of this now since we seem to have degraded to name calling.
 
Myself if the price difference is that high I'd also buy elsewhere.
$500 or more I see for some handguns that I could order in the states and pay $100 I'd be stupid not to buy it to save that much, I think most people know that large amount of money saved is getting spend on ammo along with other items from local Canadian dealers.

Last year I was looking at a bi-pod for my rifle and the store I looked at wanted $90+ for it, when I was shopping in the States at walmart I seen the same thing for $25 guess what one I bought?
Sure everyone would love to buy from Canadian dealers if the price are good.

I don't know how it works for a Canadian company to import something from the states, if BGC can do it for $100 for the first gun and $50 for the next ones after that is that only for personal use?
 
Wow, for only $100, you have to admit, I LOVE to support local, but on a big ticket item, the Delta of $100 vs $500-700 On top of the US "RETAIL" prices is definitely something to think about.

Yes, CDN dealer have a higher cost from the CDN distributors, but then again, if one can buy wholesale, and skip the middle man, why not.

IF CDN dealers are paying $500-700 MORE to buy from a local "dealers or distributor", Then THEY should call the Importer and get stock for $100 + 50 +50 etc. Only makes Good sense. But if they can not do so, well they need to have a talk with the distributors and negotiate a deal.

I mean look at the M213.... $100. They imported direct am i not correct? Why can't the dealers who own a business and have capital do the same? Hey I love to chat with the guys at the local gun stores, but even THEY, lol sometimes buy their gear from the US. ( the bipod example is priceless, I did that for all my 4X bipods, i mean who can justify the costs for the SAME bipods when they are at WALMART!?)

My 2 cents :)
 
mlehtovaara said:
I Blame the unions. No wonder these companies are going off shore! When the starting wage at chrysler or chevy is 25 bucks an hour no wonder they can't afford to keep plants open. Cmon you work on an assembly line its not skilled labor. Or the construction worker getting the same for holding a stop sign, and turning it every 3 minutes. But no it is my fault for going to the states to buy something. If you all lived this close to the border you would to. If you say you wouldn't your a liar.
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Really? 20 years ago a fella I know owned a clothing (shirts) manufacturing business in Vancouver. His employees were paid piece work with no hourly minimum. It was a sweat shop. He moved his plants to China because labour was even cheaper. Your view is overly simplistic.
 
relliott said:
Hmmm, interesting how a respectfully presented yet differing opinion always seems to garner personal insults on these forums. So because I personally CHOOSE when possible to support our local economy I am therefore NDP?? Because I like the idea of having a gun shop around that I can walk into and talk with a live body, shoot the breeze, maybe buy some ammo or a knife, or a gun case, or a pair of boots, or maybe even buy a gun that I can actually hold in my hands and look at first if I want, rather than deal with some faceless entity on the internet who has zero overhead to consider and offers nothing other than maybe a slightly better price....this makes me some kind of commie? Or as TheManInBlack says in an earlier post, I'm simply an idiot?
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Hell no...choose to do whatever you like.

The only people who ought to take stock of their personal ideologies are people who want to dictate the buying habits of OTHERS.

If you feel like buying from a local guy, or a national guy, or whomever, go right ahead. Put your money wherever you like.

It is when people start saying "nobody should be allowed to buy elsewhere because it hurts Canadian businesses" that any true free market man should be concerned.
 
In regards to the original OP i have no problem paying a couple hundred extra for a handgun for the hassels of import, exchange etc walter at arms east prime example excellent to deal with.

The problem lies with firearms that are high quality, or hard to get up here.

In these cases some distributors think they can charge an arm and a leg because it is what it is. Example FN PS 90 or 2000 1700-2100 US and the cost here is 4000 CDN.

Take in the costs for importing, exchange etc... The most these should be would be 3200-3400.00 that includes a fair markup. Be it unobtainable or whatever some people pay, i wont.
 
There are other reasons to buy through the "legitimate" supply chain... Buying grey market (and that is what Daves, BGC and the others are) invalidates your warranty on somethings... Are these guys gonna handle the warranty if you have problems.. All mass produced products have them and the first things.. Colt, Springfield etc are gonna say is take it back to the dealer you got it from..
 
In the last year I've bought only 4 new firearms: 1 Shotgun, 1 rifle, 1 pistol, 1 wheelgun.

the Shotty and Pistol were new and purchased locally at a dealer (Doing my best to help support) the Rifle and Wheelgun were purchased second hand for 2 reasons. 1: they were exactly what I was looking for, and 2: the price was right.

As a side note: the revolver was also purchased from this dealer ;)

But I would also mailorder from Canadian and as a last resort US suppliers if needed to get what I want at a reasonable price. But buying locally has it's advantages. I NEVER have to worrie about service for my purchases, even the used ones.

Just my .02 ;)
 
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B said:
Sounds like some people should take up knitting. Shooting is obviously too much of a strain on their wallet....
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It has nothing to do with being cheap... Its all about saving big bucks...

If its 50$ or less mark up I buy Local if not its online...

Thats just leaves me with more money to spend on other crap... If the local shop closes. who cares I will buy it all online.
 
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