POL/PAL for antiques?

BrotherRockeye said:
I don't think the antique regs are a hole in the act,rather a reflection of the majority of people who collect them.
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There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that the RCMP and the politicians would destroy the antiques as well if they thought they could get away with it publicity wise. Think about the lengths that the RCMP went to using those specialized light weight air rifle pellets in order to call sub 500 fps air rifles firearms. Flintlock longarms are only antiques because re enactments are big tourist business in eastern Canada.
I also think that if a letter is on file showing that you have enquired about a specific gun, and at a later date it was involved in a crime, you can rest assured you would get the third degree over your ownership of it. The fact that you never bought it or sold it three owners removed would be unimportant

cheers mooncoon
 
my point was simply that folks like you and I own antiques,not gangbangers and thugs.

I'm pretty sure that it's been a long time since a single action was used in a drive by shooting...fact it was probly a ride by shooting ;)
 
mooncoon said:
I also think that if a letter is on file showing that you have enquired about a specific gun, and at a later date it was involved in a crime, you can rest assured you would get the third degree over your ownership of it. The fact that you never bought it or sold it three owners removed would be unimportant
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I'm very sorry to contradict, but I happen to be working in a profession where I have to deal with legalities (and charges being laid against non-law abiding citizens) on a constant basis... and I can tell you here and now that, with the way the letters are set up and the way we are free to sell our antiques to others (nationally or even abroad), there is no way in hell you can get into trouble over an antique gun you received a letter for that was later involved in a crime. Yes, there is a link to you, but it would take a hell of a lot more than that to put you in the hot seat. You'd probably just get a call from the SD (sergeant detective) leading the investigation and he'd ask you a few basic questions about the whereabouts of the antique gun you once requested a letter for. The only way it could turn bad for you is if there is other evidence to link you to the actual crime they're investigating (ie. eye witnesses that recognized you, camera footage with your face in it, etc)... but then it would be deserved, wouldn't it?

NOW... having said that, I have never heard of a case where an antique would've been used in the commission of a crime. People who do commit crimes with firearms usually get their guns from other sources, smuggled in automatics being their all time favorites (you rarely even see modern revolvers - too bulky and not "gangsta" enough for today's youth). Even if they could get their hands on an antique, why would they? It costs more than a street gun, is over 100 years old, plus you can't find (or steal) proper ammo for it anywhere these days (and those bohonks are way too dumb and too high to learn how to reload anyway).

Bottom line is, further legislature in this matter is both pointless and useless.. antique guns are solely for the most dedicated and most professional class of firearm collectors (because of their prices and the necessity to create your own custom ammo for them, if you intend to shoot them on occasion). So, as long as some dimwitted gramps doesn't get the bright idea of going postal with a flintlock, I'm pretty sure we won't have any issues.

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P.S. In the next few days, I'll be calling the RCMP in regards to two more letters for antiques I will be most likely selling in the near future... this is how concerned I am about getting in trouble over it one day or being "linked" to something... ;)

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762mm said:
I can tell you here and now that, with the way the letters are set up and the way we are free to sell our antiques to others (nationally or even abroad), there is no way in hell you can get into trouble over an antique gun you received a letter for that was later involved in a crime.

I have never heard of a case where an antique would've been used in the commission of a crime.
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I did not say that a person would be successfully prosecuted, I do think that a person would get raked over the coals by the police and probably end up with significant legal fees and perhaps have their house searched, unless they could easily show a trail to the next owner.

There was a case in the US a few years ago where the judge noted that the colt revolver used in the robbery was worth more than the proceeds of the robbery. The use of antiques in crime is infrequent but I am sure it exists.

cheers mooncoon
 
Im guessing some of my guns were used in crimes already but 120 years ago im guessing :p
Looking at the notchs cut in some.
 
BrotherRockeye said:
those notches don't have to mean a crime was committed...

winnin a fair gunfight wasn't a crime was it?

my how times have changed...
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I was just Jokeing :p

As far as a crime if you were a pinkerton it was AOK if you were a train robber it was a crime.
So who knows what the notchs meen.
Coulda been carved by someone trying to up the value of the gun to.
 
SCHNEIDERSAUTO said:
oh dont be like that !!!!!!!lol old pics are neet . even old gun fights are better
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Well the DA S&W has tiny notchs cut side by side i never noticed them till holding the gun a certin way i seen them looking closer i can see they were made along time ago and theres like 5 notchs or lines.
its kinda cool cause there so tiny i figger there for real as someone doing it to up the value woulda made them bigger and easy to notice.
i will get some pics if the camra can pick the lines.
 
Ok if you look really close at the bottom of the grip up about 1/2 inch up you will see 6 tiny lines.
What do you think ?
Look at both pics the little notchs are worn just like the Address on the bottom of the Grip.
they were cut in there. this gun is a 44 Russian S&W DA Frist model.



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my point was simply that folks like you and I own antiques,not gangbangers and thugs.

I'm pretty sure that it's been a long time since a single action was used in a drive by shooting...fact it was probly a ride by shooting
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"Bust a percussion cap on your ass" just doesn't have that ring to it... ;)

antique guns are solely for the most dedicated and most professional class of firearm collectors (because of their prices and the necessity to create your own custom ammo for them, if you intend to shoot them on occasion).
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Thanks 762. I think that's the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a long time... :D
 
tactical870 said:
Thanks 762. I think that's the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a long time... :D
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Hey man, we're all in the same boat, lol... I'm kind of a newbie to the antique side, but I like it best of all (and that includes all my historic WWII relics).There's just something about pre-1898 antiques that you can't get with more modern guns.. plus it got me into reloading and now casting, which is another big plus! Like they say, "necessity is the mother of invention".. or at least a good motivation to overcome certain obstacles! (like the need to create custom ammo) :D

All in all, I think all the guys here are the elite as far as serious firearm collectors are concerned. We truly are the ultimate when it comes to professional firearm collecting.. just because there's nothing left to collect past that point, as far as guns are concerned.

;)
 
mooncoon said:
Unless it got brushed against a file or something knurled :>)

cheers mooncoon
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Yes i thought that to but looking under magnification there lines all diffrent depths all slightly diffrent angles.
Not typical tool marks but single knife cuts or some type of single edged tool.

could be from hunting deer or maby bad tempered donkeys :D
 
I gotta admit, I love old guns. Of course I still can't get into the flintlock stuff though as I like to hunt regardless of the conditions outside... Otherwise though there's something incredibly cool about shooting old guns. My regular shooter, a Snider in 577 just turned 153 this year... ;)
 
it would be cool too get lots of people rounded up and have a antique shoot and tell . pistols and rifles. different classes . all black powder. pre 1900 . just a thinkin out loud
 
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