aggressors? You listed LEO/Mil guns
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Magpul Art of the Dynamic Handgun
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aggressors? You listed LEO/Mil guns
Just when I thought this thread could not go downhill any faster 
Hokus Grey
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These kinds of threads are what I live for. Costa would be proud!
Unless your rig is xtra large, there's no way he'll be fitting in it, never mind fitting in at the range.....
bacon grease doesnt just make you smell nice when you smear it all over your body................
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wow,just wow.
lets all try and get to the range a little more guys i think there is way to much talk and very little shooting going on with these membeers.
I allways take the fastest option and use option 2 if i have to.
An understanding of human kenitics is a must if you want to shoot well.
My wife went to school for it and boy the stuff i have learnt from her has greatly improved my shooting.
My $0.02 is simple, do whatever it take to get yourself back in the fight as fast as possable, a few seconds is a lifetime when bullets are bouncing off the wall beside you.
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lets all try and get to the range a little more guys i think there is way to much talk and very little shooting going on with these membeers.
I allways take the fastest option and use option 2 if i have to.
An understanding of human kenitics is a must if you want to shoot well.
My wife went to school for it and boy the stuff i have learnt from her has greatly improved my shooting.
My $0.02 is simple, do whatever it take to get yourself back in the fight as fast as possable, a few seconds is a lifetime when bullets are bouncing off the wall beside you.
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aggressors? You listed LEO/Mil guns
Sorry, I forgot to add the TASER X26.... add that to the list of need to know how to operate arms.
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Clearly some here take things far too seriously and take the discussion far too literally. A "battlefield pickup" may or may not include an AK, AR, Galil, VZ, SKS, Swiss Arms, Lee Enfield, shotgun, or any other firearm. The idea that one set of skills will work with most platforms was illustrated with the AK as an EXAMPLE. For those who use firearms for a living, the battlefield pickup is a significant possibility. I'm sure those who've been overseas were trained on foreign platforms during their work up yes?? As for the masses of firearms owners, a universal manual of arms would be beneficial for the guy/gal who owns several firearms of different makes and models.
Enefgee,
To answer your post. Your pistols and revolvers do not have charge handles or a bolt release as you masterfully pointed out. If you had read my posts the use of the CH can be translated to autos by replacing the words charge handle with SLIDE. I'm fairly certain all of your autos have one. Both the CH and the slide serve the same function so it stands to reason that the manual of arms for one is relevant for the other. Your revolvers need not apply, they're antiquated dinosaurs that provide no advantage over an auto.
As requested, I'll return my postings to pistol based discussion as this is the handgun forum.
With regards to Dynamic handgun, can anyone validate the 45' degree mag slap as an effective method of loading your handgun??? Does sweeping the brass from the pistol(stovepipe/type two stoppage) accomplish anything a TAP RACK does not? Anyone ever punch the back of the slide with an exposed hammer as a method of FORCING an unknown round or object into the chamber??
TDC
Enefgee,
To answer your post. Your pistols and revolvers do not have charge handles or a bolt release as you masterfully pointed out. If you had read my posts the use of the CH can be translated to autos by replacing the words charge handle with SLIDE. I'm fairly certain all of your autos have one. Both the CH and the slide serve the same function so it stands to reason that the manual of arms for one is relevant for the other. Your revolvers need not apply, they're antiquated dinosaurs that provide no advantage over an auto.
As requested, I'll return my postings to pistol based discussion as this is the handgun forum.
With regards to Dynamic handgun, can anyone validate the 45' degree mag slap as an effective method of loading your handgun??? Does sweeping the brass from the pistol(stovepipe/type two stoppage) accomplish anything a TAP RACK does not? Anyone ever punch the back of the slide with an exposed hammer as a method of FORCING an unknown round or object into the chamber??
TDC
TDC,
Clearing a stovepipe that way only works "effectively" on guns with a weaker or stock recoil spring. It saves you some time over the tap rack. Try it on a 1911 with brass pointing more forward and you can kiss your fingers good bye. It hurts like a SOB on the wrong gun with the brass pointing the wrong way
Clearing a stovepipe that way only works "effectively" on guns with a weaker or stock recoil spring. It saves you some time over the tap rack. Try it on a 1911 with brass pointing more forward and you can kiss your fingers good bye. It hurts like a SOB on the wrong gun with the brass pointing the wrong way
TDC,
Clearing a stovepipe that way only works "effectively" on guns with a weaker or stock recoil spring. It saves you some time over the tap rack. Try it on a 1911 with brass pointing more forward and you can kiss your fingers good bye. It hurts like a SOB on the wrong gun with the brass pointing the wrong way
Exactly my point, the sweep method offers no advantage over TAP RACK.
TDC
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Hokus Grey
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Am I the only one waiting for the "Art of the Dynamic Cheeseburger" series to come out?
Somehow, I just know I'm not.
Troll off......
Somehow, I just know I'm not.
Troll off......
all magpul is advocating with thier training methods is "thinking", not blindly doing something just for the sake of doing it.... they think the problem thru and do the course of action that is neccesary to complete the task, no mre... no less.
seriously, you don't like thier methods then don't use them.... for people that train with them and use thier methods I am sure they work just fine. there is no need to be a robot and do things without thinking.
sure under stress, blah blah blah blah.... but people repeat the mantra "you fight the same way you train" so if you train to think and do things a different way then you "approve" of then so be it..... they will fight as they have been trained to do so, you fight your way.
whats so hard to understand.... there is no need to downplay one instructor over another, or one method over another... they all have thier good and bad points and it is up to YOU the student to use what works for you.
seriously, you don't like thier methods then don't use them.... for people that train with them and use thier methods I am sure they work just fine. there is no need to be a robot and do things without thinking.
sure under stress, blah blah blah blah.... but people repeat the mantra "you fight the same way you train" so if you train to think and do things a different way then you "approve" of then so be it..... they will fight as they have been trained to do so, you fight your way.
whats so hard to understand.... there is no need to downplay one instructor over another, or one method over another... they all have thier good and bad points and it is up to YOU the student to use what works for you.
You're right, to each their own. Unfortunately, so many blindly follow Magpul teachings out of ignorance or perhaps a bro-mance for Costa/Haley. What they teach is a method, but its a sh*t method and that's the problem. So many who follow their teachings clearly can't see the negatives to their techniques. What sells Magpul videos are the flashy and fast manipulations. The series is popular amongst those who don't know any better. There are plenty of reputable schools and instructors available. What they lack is their own DVD series and for good reason. Watching a video is NOT training..
TDC
ETA: My question still stands. Would anyone else care to validate the methods taught by MD over those taught by others??
I will.
Situation #1: If you've just chambered a cartridge and the slide is out-of-battery because the just-chambered cartridge jumped into the chamber ahead of the extractor, a slap to the back of the slide will remedy the situation. Quick and simple. (I.E. : The extractor does not engage the case rim. A simple tap/rack would only result in a doublefeed. While you could remove the magazine/rack/replace the magazine/rack/bang, all you really had to do was to slap the back of the slide.)
Situation #2: If you are doing a chamber-check. The last step of a chamber-check is a slap to the back of the slide (to ensure that the slide is in-battery).
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