Softening a Norc M4 - Pics of brakes used on last page
- Thread starter Mystic Precision
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Ive noticed it kicks allot harder then any .223 has the right to. That being said it doesn't bother me enough to look into investing time to soften it up, To each his own though, I do however hate the twang sound it makes between shots but my friends Dlask is just as bad so oh well. So the gas port on the norks is a little much and this is what causes the upped kick? I just installed a YHM low pro gas block with a rock river arms gas tube and it seems the kick got a little more intense, it is functioning flawless right now and thats what i really enjoy
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- Virden, MB
I love my little Norc M4, a great value IMO
I've gotten a few guys around here to buy one after playing with mine, they really sell themselves..
But recoil? Mine's a pussy, I've shot several loads and all about the same. The shells spit out pretty good but if it piles up the gun, I'll just replace the gun- they're cheap enough now. Personally I don't think I'll have an issue. I did put on a Magpul stock and a forward vertical grip, I don't think they took out any real amount of recoil but who knows.
End of the day, this gun don't kick as much as a 410 IMO- not mine anyway.
I've gotten a few guys around here to buy one after playing with mine, they really sell themselves..
But recoil? Mine's a pussy, I've shot several loads and all about the same. The shells spit out pretty good but if it piles up the gun, I'll just replace the gun- they're cheap enough now. Personally I don't think I'll have an issue. I did put on a Magpul stock and a forward vertical grip, I don't think they took out any real amount of recoil but who knows.
End of the day, this gun don't kick as much as a 410 IMO- not mine anyway.
kingarmory
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The exit port is 'WAAAAYYYY too big' based on what? Compared to what you've seen on the market perhaps? We did a lot more homework on this brake/suppressor than just taking a tube and drilling holes in it. Our design gets 35+% recoil reduction, flash suppression, and won't 'blowtorch' the port baffles when used on an M16 or M249. Considering that it gets the same recoil reduction as most of the better brakes out there, cuts the muzzle flash, and does it all in a package that weighs the same as the standard A2 'birdcage', how exactly is that a 'fancy ported flash hider'? Do a little reading on 'fluid dynamics', the KA-1222 has four separate features that are all determined by it. Not meaning to come across as a d!ck, but when in doubt it is usually better to ask questions than make statements
Craftsman 441
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Question: You didn't work as public relations for RobArms, did you?
Statement: Mysticplayer knows what he's talking about.
Statement: Mysticplayer knows what he's talking about.
kingarmory
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I don't doubt that, you won't find me questioning why he cuts a barrel a certain way or to a certain length. Likewise if he built a 1/4MOA .223 heavy-barrel and I made a crass statement like "all you have their is an overweight poodle-shooter" I would expect him to take exception with my statement as well. Don't worry, my bio is some good reading too.
EDIT: No, I didn't work as PR at Robarms either and I don't find your subtle reference amusing. Look at MP's statement and ask why I'd take offense at it. He made a pretty broad negative statement about something he has never seen or tried. I have no issue with him personally, but his statement was uncalled for.
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If a .223 has too much recoil for you it's time for Airsoft.
Mystic Precision
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- Summerland, BC
Ive noticed it kicks allot harder then any .223 has the right to. That being said it doesn't bother me enough to look into investing time to soften it up, To each his own though, I do however hate the twang sound it makes between shots but my friends Dlask is just as bad so oh well. So the gas port on the norks is a little much and this is what causes the upped kick? I just installed a YHM low pro gas block with a rock river arms gas tube and it seems the kick got a little more intense, it is functioning flawless right now and thats what i really enjoy
Checking with some AR builders, the port size on my Norc is 'standard' which surprised me. I have reduced the useable size by at least 2/3's and it still ran great until my best attempts to make it stop succeeded.
I have no need to make this rifle function under the adverse environment it was originally designed for so have taken out alot of the 'extras' to ensure functioning.
A bit of cleaning, some lube and I expect it to run just fine again. And if it hangs up now and then, I can increase the amount of gas a bit and get it working perfectly. So no permanent changes.
I gave up needing to feel my guns fire a long time ago. Hell, I am even going back to LR rimfire which is ubber challenging.
fun, fun, fun.
Jerry
Mystic Precision
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You have taken offense to my statement which was not my intent.
maybe you can post some more pics of your brake with views to see the internal baffling and the brake from the front showing the exit port.
I would also like to see the recoil sled that you used for testing your brakes.
Jerry
kingarmory
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I'll snap a pic when we drag it out to do the T&E work on the new 0827 unit that we're designing and producing for one of our dealers. Pretty simple, as most are, but we built ours with a mild incline to it to reduce the effect of rolling friction on the readout. It also has a holder on the sled for additional weights so if we're testing our brake against another product, we can add small weights to make up the difference so that the net weight of the sled is the same with both products and we can also determine actual efficiency versus dampening just caused by extra mass.
kingarmory
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When you make definitive statements like "What you have is a fancy ported flash hider." there isn't any wiggle room on a statement.
Had you said "It looks like it may just be a fancy ported flash hider" then you have some wiggle room to not be outright offending people.
Here's an example (and I'm not calling you anything or trying to be offensive, just using this to make a point)
If I said "You're a d!ck" then I have made a definitive statement without any alternative, non-offensive meanings.
If I said "You're kinda acting like a d!ck" then I got some "wiggle room" if called on it as being offensive.
I'm not offended personally, I was just offended that you'd make such a generalized statement about something that you had never seen, used, or had any additional info on. If you made a barrel that was wider at the muzzle than it was at the receiver and said that it improved accuracy by doing "-----", the first thing I would ask is "How?" or "any info on that?" rather than saying "What you have there is a nose-heavy paperweight" then I've really committed myself to a single offensive interpretation of that statement. I (and the others) take offense to statements like that pretty easily also, there's a ton of $$$ and time tied up into everything we produce. From testing multiple prototypes to failure testing parts to ensure they are able to take an insane amount of abuse and keep working, we all take personal stake in the product. Thousands of products out there and we've warrantied out two (yeah 2) parts over the years and both of them were due to customer error but we took care of it anyways. That's the sort of dedication to quality we're talking about here. Hell, we still haven't sold enough KA-1222's to cover the testing expense yet
Kayser Sose
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lol glad to know you guys have an inherent respect for each other, and that sometimes it's tough to notice in type! lol
kingarmory
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lol glad to know you guys have an inherent respect for each other, and that sometimes it's tough to notice in type! lol
I have no disrespect for Mystic, I don't even know the guy. I'm just not one to mince words so I tend to come across a little harsh sometimes
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Also with the Smith Muzzle brake it makes you feel like ur shooting a .22LR.
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Watch it in full auto;
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kingarmory
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kingarmory
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On an AR15 the recoil isn't much of an issue, on the M16 recoil-reduction improves accuracy a lot. Probably not a lot of M16's in Canada though.
I really wanted to make an off-color joke about adding a 'puller' to the product line but opted not to
