UPDATE: Rossi Ranch Hand Mares Leg

Which is in no way meant to cast aspersions at the Mare's Leg in question; I understand that my own $500 Puma carries a risk commensurate with the price.
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Mine in 44 mag feeds wonderfully. very reliable so far, of course it's only got just over 100 rounds down the tube so far, so i guess something could still develop.
 
Is the trail judge legal in the USA ?
From what I understand it is because of the rifled barrel.
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It's considered a 'short shotgun' and is either not legal or requires expensive permits in many states. I believe it's being discontinued. I'd love to grab one tho.
 
Foxer said:
It's considered a 'short shotgun' and is either not legal or requires expensive permits in many states. I believe it's being discontinued. I'd love to grab one tho.
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yea me too. they would be handy as well...

if I did have one it would be my gopher gun :D
 
Its like an 1892 version of the ghost holster.

Looks like a pretty practiced skill to actually land that ring on the hook though...
 
BabySeal said:
Its like an 1892 version of the ghost holster.

Looks like a pretty practiced skill to actually land that ring on the hook though...
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If you watch the video, just before he holsters it, you can see a knob of some sort instead of a ring on the rifle. I'm guessing that knob drops into a bracket of some sort. Probably something like a radio belt clip.... like this.

http://www.patrolstore.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/265x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/i/airwaves_radio_polymer_belt_dock_400.jpg
 
Carbine sling and boot for sale on this site. I have not dealt with these people. Photos show what I described in earlier post.

http://w w w.saddles-tack.com/accessories.htm
 
This is just me being A) bored and B) suspicious.

Is there a chance that the RCMP ok'd the gun as non-res to get them brought in large numbers at high expense, and then will reclassify them at the border to restricted to #### with the importer and "warn" other importers against bringing in anything they might not like?

After the Norc T87 fiasco where they were classed as non-res, brought in, began to be sold then were all recalled and confiscated, I wouldn't put anything past them.
 
Is there a chance that the RCMP ok'd the gun as non-res to get them brought in, and then will reclassify them at the border to restricted to #### with the importer?
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Not likely. they ok'd the chippia version which is almost identical and have allowed that to be sold here for quite some time.

Also - with the t-97 they had SOME legal ground to stand on. They claim it could be made full auto and that was not known at the time when it was allowed. I think they'll be hard pressed to get a rossi to go belt-fed :D

The law is pretty clear and favours us. I'm not sure they'd risk a court case they're likely to lose. They'll pick fights where there's "grey" areas, but not where it's likely to set precedence against them.

They may cause trouble down the road, but it's not nearly as likely.
 
Good reasoning. I always like it when my suspicions get shot to pieces :D

I didn't twig on to the fact that there are already mares legs in Canada. That's a good precedent setter.
 
I still don't understand how we get in under 26'', some explanation would help me and help when I talk with 'observers' about it being so short.
Thanks.
 
I still don't understand how we get in under 26'', some explanation would help me and help when I talk with 'observers' about it being so short.
Thanks.
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Well let's look at what the law really says.

"Restricted weapon" means
(a) any firearm, not being a prohibited weapon, designed, altered
or intended to be aimed and fired by the action of one hand,
(b) any firearm that
(i) is not a prohibited weapon, has a barrel that is less
than 470 mm in length and is capable of discharging centre-fire
ammunition in a semi-automatic manner, or
(ii) is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a
length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise,
or
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So - restricted? No. It's not designed to fire semi auto. It's not designed to be used with one hand. It doesn't fold or telescope.

What about prohib'd?
"prohibited weapon" means
(a) any device or contrivance designed or intended to muffle or
stop the sound or report of a firearm,
(b) any knife that has a blade that opens automatically
by gravity or centrifugal force or by hand pressure applied to a
button, spring or other device in or attached to the handle of the
knife,
(c) any firearm, not being a restricted weapon described in
paragraph (c) or
(c.1) of the definition of that expression in this
subsection, that is capable of, or assembled or designed and
manufactured with the capability of, firing projectiles in rapid
succession during one pressure of the trigger, whether or not it
has been altered to fire only one projectile with one such
pressure,
(d) any firearm adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by
sawing, cutting or other alteration or modification, that, as so
adapted, has a barrel that is less than 457 mm in length or that is
less than 660 mm in overall length,
(e) a weapon of any kind, not being an antique firearm or a
firearm of a kind commonly used in Canada for hunting or sporting
purposes, or a part, component or accessory of such a weapon, or
any ammunition, that is declared by order of the Governor in
Council to be a prohibited weapon, or
(f) a large-capacity cartridge magazine prescribed by regulation;
"registration certificate" means a restricted weapon registration
certificate issued under section 109;
[Section 85, Part III, Criminal Code of Canada]
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So - if the firearm is ALTERED to be less than 660, then it's prohibed. But what if it was built that way?

It has been accepted by the CFC that if it comes from a licensed manufacturer that way it's ok. THat's how we get 12 inch barreled shotguns. Or 8 inch. That's well established.

Did we ALTER this firearm to be less than 660? No - it was made that way.

Now - there is SOME grey area for after market parts - if i put a manufactured pistol grip on a shotgun - did I 'alter' it? Or if i buy a manufactured 12 inch barrel and swap it out for my longer barrel and the length is now under 660 did I 'alter' it?

The answer has generally been accepted as 'no'. I didn't alter the gun, i simply changed a part. I didn't saw or modify anything. That's how these parts come.

But - in this case even THAT isn't an issue - the gun COMES this way so i'm not altering it in the slightest. That's how it was made.

So - legal in Canada. There is no law which says that the length of the gun for non-semi-auto's must be a certain length, it just says you can't ALTER it to make it shorter than a certain length, and that it cannot be made shorter by 'folding, telescoping' etc of the stock. In fact - if you could make it shorter by taking the stock right off you'd probably be safe :)

it also isn't prohibited by name. It is not contained on the list of expressly prohibited guns.

Therefore - it's non restricted.

Might a future liberal gov't put the name on the prohib'd list? Maybe - but that will cause all sorts of problems especially if the CPC kills the LGR and if enough time has passed that we have a lot of them sold in Canada.

All the more reason to elect a cpc majority.
 
Foxer said:
Well let's look at what the law really says.

"Restricted weapon" means


So - restricted? No. It's not designed to fire semi auto. It's not designed to be used with one hand. It doesn't fold or telescope.

What about prohib'd?


So - if the firearm is ALTERED to be less than 660, then it's prohibed. But what if it was built that way?

It has been accepted by the CFC that if it comes from a licensed manufacturer that way it's ok. THat's how we get 12 inch barreled shotguns. Or 8 inch. That's well established.

Did we ALTER this firearm to be less than 660? No - it was made that way.

Now - there is SOME grey area for after market parts - if i put a manufactured pistol grip on a shotgun - did I 'alter' it? Or if i buy a manufactured 12 inch barrel and swap it out for my longer barrel and the length is now under 660 did I 'alter' it?

The answer has generally been accepted as 'no'. I didn't alter the gun, i simply changed a part. I didn't saw or modify anything. That's how these parts come.

But - in this case even THAT isn't an issue - the gun COMES this way so i'm not altering it in the slightest. That's how it was made.

So - legal in Canada. There is no law which says that the length of the gun for non-semi-auto's must be a certain length, it just says you can't ALTER it to make it shorter than a certain length, and that it cannot be made shorter by 'folding, telescoping' etc of the stock. In fact - if you could make it shorter by taking the stock right off you'd probably be safe :)

it also isn't prohibited by name. It is not contained on the list of expressly prohibited guns.

Therefore - it's non restricted.

Might a future liberal gov't put the name on the prohib'd list? Maybe - but that will cause all sorts of problems especially if the CPC kills the LGR and if enough time has passed that we have a lot of them sold in Canada.

All the more reason to elect a cpc majority.
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Wow, excellent response Foxer! Muchly appreciated.
 
hunterhenderson said:
I ordered a Chiappa Mares leg in 45 colt and it arrived, Ive owned probably 6 pumas and this Chiappa "thing" was not nearly as nice, it was new in box and ever single screw head had been half stripped and man handled, it was loose and wouldnt feed or chamber 45 colt factory loads, there was a tremendous amount of side to side lever play and the stock had slippery varnish on it, not , in my opinion, half the gun of my pumas. I wouldnt ever even consider one again

HH
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If I received a brand new gun with stripped screw heads as described, it'd be going right back where it came from. I wouldn't even accept that on a used gun.
 
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