IDPA-POCO-Members [UPDATED-PROPOSAL TURNED DOWN FOR 3RD YEAR IN A ROW. SEE POST#285]

[pats]

Well,....you are the one that let the forums know you were a couple............just the fact that you are a couple would tend to give relevance to at least two of the NO votes in the poll .....that said there are 19 other No votes and we have not heard from them yet

HAHA HAHA... At no point did i ever say that i voted NO, Just because were a couple, does not mean i agree with everything that she says, and most of the time we don't agree on anything especially dishes and laundry and getting up early to go shooting unless i bribe her in some way , I wish I had a leash for her, but , I don't

I have only agreed with the range time for shooters that are not shooting competitions or in a committee.

From my count that leaves 20 other ppl that have voted NO, and have not responded, this may be due to the fact that some of the comments on here directed toward the NO voters are angry and resort to some unfair comments on a topic that is asking for opinions on a matter.

AND i would like to thank JOHN for pointing this out, and for his very well written comments on IDPA, more comments like this would help there cause and not hinder it in the public eye.

PATS

 

[bclinehand]

HAHA HAHA... At no point did i ever say that i voted NO, Just because were a couple, does not mean i agree with everything that she says, and most of the time we don't agree on anything especially dishes and laundry and getting up early to go shooting unless i bribe her in some way , I wish I had a leash for her, but , I don't

I have only agreed with the range time for shooters that are not shooting competitions or in a committee.

From my count that leaves 20 other ppl that have voted NO, and have not responded, this may be due to the fact that some of the comments on here directed toward the NO voters are angry and resort to some unfair comments on a topic that is asking for opinions on a matter.

AND i would like to thank JOHN for pointing this out, and for his very well written comments on IDPA, more comments like this would help there cause and not hinder it in the public eye.

PATS

Point taken Pats......I should have looked closer to home before thinking that the two of you would have the same opinion.......lol

Serenity all I can say is please go out and try the game......you will be pleasantly suprised to find that it is just a game and very enjoyable to play.

 

[Slavex]

I stand by my comments of Fud-ism. The simple facts are the antis don't want us to have any guns regardless of what we use them for. Playing a game that uses scenarios based on possible real life situations is no different than kids playing cops and robbers. Another thing the antis would like to see stopped I'm sure. Further, its totally legal both as a sport and as a real life situation as we've just seen with the firebomber case.
The antis see no difference in clay pigeon shooting and IPSC or IDPA, or PPC and UIT, guns are bad, that's it. I seldom say there is only one way to think, or do things, but in this case if you actually think your sport is either more image friendly or not in danger from the antis, not only are you wrong, but you are ignorant of what's going on around you. And people that promote your way of thinking are just going to sewer us.
We don't need to water down our sports until there are none, we need to bring more people into the fold in ALL shooting sports.

 

[Steve David]

I stand by my comments of Fud-ism. The simple facts are the antis don't want us to have any guns regardless of what we use them for. Playing a game that uses scenarios based on possible real life situations is no different than kids playing cops and robbers. Another thing the antis would like to see stopped I'm sure. Further, its totally legal both as a sport and as a real life situation as we've just seen with the firebomber case.
The antis see no difference in clay pigeon shooting and IPSC or IDPA, or PPC and UIT, guns are bad, that's it. I seldom say there is only one way to think, or do things, but in this case if you actually think your sport is either more image friendly or not in danger from the antis, not only are you wrong, but you are ignorant of what's going on around you. And people that promote your way of thinking are just going to sewer us.
We don't need to water down our sports until there are none, we need to bring more people into the fold in ALL shooting sports.

Yep, that just about sums it up. Very well said.

 

[new and novice]

Where are the comments from the other no replies? Also, what was the result of the proposal? Has it not been long enough? Whats to decide, yes or no?

 

[John in B.C.]

Where are the comments from the other no replies?...

You're kidding right???

Let's review shall we:

Poster asked for 'No" voters to state their concerns so that they could be discussed and possibly be alleviated.

Two 'No' voters came forward.

They were subsequently blasted....which has not stopped yet if you look a couple posts up.

WHY would anyone else come forward now?? They will vote how they vote and I would not count on changing any minds after the way this thread has gone.

This is NOT the way to garner support.

Hopefully the support was already strong enough and IDPA will go ahead at PoCo.

John

 

[Justins1877]

Reading the last 3 pages made my blood pressure go through the roof! ....So, I wont even touch on it.

I'm all for IDPA at Poco, i've asked about it several times over the years. It seems Poco is mostly concerned with public image, and IPSC... I won't name drop. [AND I'M] Glad to see the past President gone too.

Personally speaking, i'm more interested in shooting rifle on the lower ranges. Still a member, but I no longer shoot a Poco, it just doesn't seem like it's run by shooters. Abby's where it's at for me, currently.
Good luck, and if it does happen - i'll be there to try it out.

 

[new and novice]

You're kidding right???

Let's review shall we:

Poster asked for 'No" voters to state their concerns so that they could be discussed and possibly be alleviated.

Two 'No' voters came forward.

They were subsequently blasted....which has not stopped yet if you look a couple posts up.

WHY would anyone else come forward now?? They will vote how they vote and I would not count on changing any minds after the way this thread has gone.

This is NOT the way to garner support.

Hopefully the support was already strong enough and IDPA will go ahead at PoCo.

John

Why not come forward, this is cyberworld. Internet courage is running rampant on this site like tiger blood.

 

[Slavex]

If people have legitimate concerns about IDPA, they should feel free to air them no one will jump down their throat. But if the concerns are about "image" and how guns are scary, yeah maybe they shouldn't post.
Garnering support is important, sucking up to Fuds isn't. Sucking up and taking our sports and trying to "tone" down their image is what's ruining our sport. Caving into the nanny state mentality of "protect the children" is just stupid. And that's what we've heard so far from the "no" vote.
The funny thing is, I don't shoot IDPA, well not really. My main focus is IPSC. But if there is space and time available at Poco it shouldn't be an issue at all.

 

[pats]

It really is not even worth commenting on this thread any more, any thing that is written is spit on, instead of mind changing views, insults are tossed around.

Only john has made a comment that is great for all shooting sports, if i was fighting for my sport to be somewhere, i would be flying him down from his northern home to help out because clearly he knows something about changing views.

Thank you john.

Slavex, maybe if you tryed to change that view, to some one that is open to view changes, that "image" wouldn't be voiced again, but instead, the insults flew and it didn't help.
and I'm sure that it didn't help others. and thats probably a good reason we're not hearing from them,

I agree, if idpa and poco could work then maybe it should be tryed, but other members need range time too beyond just events, we need to practice for these events too, you cant always be a GM slavex we need time to practice our drills too.

what about abby and TMSA too, don't see big threads about them joining there, i'm sure that each one of these ranges have some thing to offer to IDPA, just as much as other shooting events. from my understanding its mainly chiliwack that has IDPA.

 

[Slavex]

Pats, changing someone's point of view is always the best option, but when they post something as offensive (to me) as what was posted I don't see the value. I'd rather focus on the new shooter who hasn't been exposed to anything yet and let them try all the sports, or just plunking and then do what they like.
As for IDPA at Abby, for the time being we are full with our current sub clubs and our calendar wouldn't support another group. If we can squeeze some more bays in, or the new IPSC club fails, or one of the other sub clubs folds, then maybe we'd have room for another group.

 

[07blackwater]

I'm a PoCo member. I hesitated to post in this thread because of all the fighting. As well, the option I would have picked in the poll wasn't there.

As a paying member of the club I wouldn't be opposed to new matches as long as it didn't impact the ones all ready going on. The more the better right?

PoCo's a big range and we have lots of room. Like I said, though, as long as it wouldn't negatively affect what's going on already.

 

[HUGODOG]

The purpose of this survey is to allow people to voice their opinion on having an additional shooting sport at Poco. No one need to change their view of the subject, everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as they respect the other side of the argument. The readers will make their judgement as they see fit. I have to drive 90 km to Chilliwack to participate in this fun game and then 90 km back. Obviously if IDPA is available at Poco it will be more convinient for me personally. I tasted something good and would like to share it with everyone. Try it, you might like it. Go out on a Wed night to Chilliwack and I am sure Kim and Ken will be very happy to let you shoot it. Then we will all retire to the closest Timmy for coffee and donuts to exchange more lies LOL.

 

[ASTRYX]

I am a brand new member of PCDHFC. I just finished my New Members Course tonight.

I want to try EVERYTHING.

The range is huge and I am sure it can accommodate the extra time and space needed to try IDPA.

I do agree that nothing should be taken away, but see no harm in moving things around so everything can fit.

As for those who throw insults from behind keyboards ...

Be well.

 

[zippy_the_wonder_chimp]

*condensed quote*

I want to try EVERYTHING.

Agreed! Here's the example we should all follow.

 

[lsgh70]

My 2 cents worth

I shot and enjoyed IPSC for many years in all the local clubs. I shoot IDPA now because I find it more realistic and "practical." POCO has wonderful facilities that could be shared with the IDPA shooters, create interest amongst stock gun shooters, be a source of added income to POCO and make use of the range during it's downtime.

I'm a member of both Chilliwack and POCO ranges. I'll shoot at both for whatever matches and will continue to support IDPA wherever they (we) set up. But I won't lie...saving the gas bucks and time would be appreciated.

 

[HUGODOG]

Rather spend the gas bucks on reloading components so we get more bangs.

Let's get more people interested in it so we can start an IDPA chapter in Poco.

Go to youtube and type in IDPA in Chilliwack to find out how its done. Note the happy fun atmosphere of the IDPA shoot. Scoring is not important but the enjoyment of banging away is.

 

[johan]

Certainly be interested in IDPA at Poco. Hopefully it will come to pass.

 

[OEM]

I am a brand new member of PCDHFC. I just finished my New Members Course tonight.

I want to try EVERYTHING.

The range is huge and I am sure it can accommodate the extra time and space needed to try IDPA.

I do agree that nothing should be taken away, but see no harm in moving things around so everything can fit.

As for those who throw insults from behind keyboards ...

Be well.

Welcome to the club Astryx. Hope to see you around the club one day. Yep, the jury's still out as far as I know about whether or not IDPA will be allowed in Poco club, but judging from the poll results so far, the support is there.

Lets hope we all get to enjoy another fun aspect of the sport..in Poco.

 

[Tomochan]

I have been researching the pros and cons of this issue and have formed my opinion as to how I will cast my vote on the matter. I have some general comments:

1) Opinions expressed on CGN either for or against an issue simply will not resonate with most club (not just PoCo) executives. While I am on here most days many board members/execs never visit or don't care about views expressed online. Couple of reasons - different generation maybe and a "where else are they going to go" mentality. You don't have to like it but it is a simple fact.

2) Surefire way to make things happen - organise ahead of time and turn up and vote at an AGM. Last PoCo AGM was full of folks rarely seen shooting. Where were all the pistol and black rifle guys I see every weekend ? Y'all weren't there. I looked around the room and thought I was in the wrong place as, in a room full of people, I knew (not even by sight) virtually no one present.

3) Repeat of #2 - show up and vote when it counts. Same goes for most stuff in life.