Or you might want to at least read this little article
http://www.chuckhawks.com/protection_field.htm
http://www.chuckhawks.com/protection_field.htm
Best polymer .45 ACP?
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If you can find someone that sells Tanfoglio/EAA pistols in Canada or someone that will import one for you, the Force/Witness is a polymer 10mm pistol.
http://www.tanfoglio.it/eng/catalogo/defence/force.html
http://www.eaacorp.com
http://www.tanfoglio.it/eng/catalogo/defence/force.html
http://www.eaacorp.com
I love my .45 but it is not enough against a bear! Maybe a Colt Delta in 10mm, but it is not light.
Perhaps this story will give you some perspective of what you are up against: Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes into her side, Chief. We was comin' back from the island of Tinian to Leyte. We'd just delivered the bomb. The Hiroshima bomb. Eleven hundred men went into the water. Vessel went down in 12 minutes.
Didn't see the first bear for about a half-hour. 13-footer. You know how you know that in the water, Chief? You can tell by lookin' from the ears to the tail. What we didn't know, was that our bomb mission was so secret, no distress signal had been sent. They didn't even list us overdue for a week. Very first light, Chief, bears come cruisin' by, so we formed ourselves into tight groups. It was sorta like you see in the calendars, you know the infantry squares in the old calendars like the Battle of Waterloo and the idea was the bear come to the nearest man, that man he starts poundin' and hollerin' and sometimes that bear he go away... but sometimes he wouldn't go away.
Sometimes that shark looks right at ya. Right into your eyes. And the thing about a bear is he's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, he doesn't even seem to be livin'... 'til he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then... ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin'. The ocean turns red, and despite all your poundin' and your hollerin' those sharks come in and... they rip you to pieces.
You know by the end of that first dawn, lost a hundred men. I don't know how many bears there were, maybe a thousand. I do know how many men, they averaged six an hour. Thursday mornin', Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boson's mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. He bobbed up, down in the water, he was like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he'd been bitten in half below the waist.
At noon on the fifth day, a Lockheed Ventura swung in low and he spotted us, a young pilot, lot younger than Mr. Hooper here, anyway he spotted us and a few hours later a big ol' fat PBY come down and started to pick us up. You know that was the time I was most frightened. Waitin' for my turn. I'll never put on a lifejacket again. So, eleven hundred men went into the water. 316 men come out, the bears took the rest, June the 29th, 1945.
Perhaps this story will give you some perspective of what you are up against: Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes into her side, Chief. We was comin' back from the island of Tinian to Leyte. We'd just delivered the bomb. The Hiroshima bomb. Eleven hundred men went into the water. Vessel went down in 12 minutes.
Didn't see the first bear for about a half-hour. 13-footer. You know how you know that in the water, Chief? You can tell by lookin' from the ears to the tail. What we didn't know, was that our bomb mission was so secret, no distress signal had been sent. They didn't even list us overdue for a week. Very first light, Chief, bears come cruisin' by, so we formed ourselves into tight groups. It was sorta like you see in the calendars, you know the infantry squares in the old calendars like the Battle of Waterloo and the idea was the bear come to the nearest man, that man he starts poundin' and hollerin' and sometimes that bear he go away... but sometimes he wouldn't go away.
Sometimes that shark looks right at ya. Right into your eyes. And the thing about a bear is he's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, he doesn't even seem to be livin'... 'til he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then... ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin'. The ocean turns red, and despite all your poundin' and your hollerin' those sharks come in and... they rip you to pieces.
You know by the end of that first dawn, lost a hundred men. I don't know how many bears there were, maybe a thousand. I do know how many men, they averaged six an hour. Thursday mornin', Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boson's mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. He bobbed up, down in the water, he was like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he'd been bitten in half below the waist.
At noon on the fifth day, a Lockheed Ventura swung in low and he spotted us, a young pilot, lot younger than Mr. Hooper here, anyway he spotted us and a few hours later a big ol' fat PBY come down and started to pick us up. You know that was the time I was most frightened. Waitin' for my turn. I'll never put on a lifejacket again. So, eleven hundred men went into the water. 316 men come out, the bears took the rest, June the 29th, 1945.
To the OP I own both the Ruger P345 and the Glock G21. I wouldn't be uncomfortable with either one. If you asked me to choose I would pick the Glock for capacity and reliablity as the P345 needs to be well lubed for maximum reliability.
There is a website out there that details the perils of one particular 2nd gen G21 that has been shot, dropped out of a plane and run over repeatedly among other things. It's still ticking. Somewhere near 250K rounds through it too...
Hey toss a Glock into a crevice at the Columbia Icefields and who knows 10,000 years from now when it comes out at the bottom of the Glacier it will likely still be shootable for someone. Ummm there might just be a Glock ad in that statement.
Truth be told most handguns are reliable and will give the shooter a lifetime of service. All firearms, including Glocks, have parts break from time to time and malfunction. For most shooters reliability would not be the first issue of concern. For the OP weight seems to be his first concern, followed by reliability given his stated requirement.
Take Care
Bob
glocks are so light! I played with both today at local gun store, a 21 and mp45. glock 17 fits nice, but mp45 and the xd feel so much nicer than the glock 21. I like the mp45 over glock 21 because the glocks do not line up my sights as good as the mp45 on draw. I wish glock took our concerns with fitment and made it fit nicer.
They had no glock 20 but, I seems like it is a tinny bit slimmer than a mp45. I darn wish mp45 came in a 10 mm, it would be a done deal.
They had no glock 20 but, I seems like it is a tinny bit slimmer than a mp45. I darn wish mp45 came in a 10 mm, it would be a done deal.
Polar Man
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Why in the hell is having a slightly smaller and lighter gun a bigger concern to you then the calibre actually working?
"Yeah little lady, this here gun is to stop any big bad grizzly's that might want to hurt us if we happen to go down"
"Oh! You are so tough and brave! It must be a really powerful gun!"
"Well no, they were too heavy and bulky, and I have small hands."
"Oh, thats sort of like when I use my smaller purse when I go to the bar."
"Exactly! Finally someone understands!"
"Yeah little lady, this here gun is to stop any big bad grizzly's that might want to hurt us if we happen to go down"
"Oh! You are so tough and brave! It must be a really powerful gun!"
"Well no, they were too heavy and bulky, and I have small hands."
"Oh, thats sort of like when I use my smaller purse when I go to the bar."
"Exactly! Finally someone understands!"
Just get the G21sf, a 24lb recoil spring, some 45 Super Brass, a little Power Pistol and your choice of 230gr JHPs. If the 45 caliber hole at 10mm speeds is what you're after, you've found it. 1100 FPS is going to be my target velocity, when the aftermarket barrel shows up, but 1200 is supposedly possible.
This is likely what you're looking for. I know it's what I'm looking for, and I've only seen Polar bears and Grizzlies at the zoo.
