M14 Scope mount photos

nemesisincanada said:
I didn't have a problem with your posts doc although you seem very sceptical of the mount. It is Satain's post that I found a little attack oriented. I dont know any of the parties in question, I just don't think it is appropriate to get into personal attack mode on a forum against someone who is banned. l thought that before the response and more so now the response is deleted. I can not judge the validity of either post and don't really care to. In the end the 2 posts did not belong in this thread and now only one remains. it is too bad the mods did not see the need to remove both maybe Satain will edit or remove his post as you have done. Lets keep this thread for photos. scope mount critique should be performed in a separate thread, and personal and character attacks should be avoided at all costs.
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I agree entirely, however what sparked this happened in emails from folks who took it upon themselves to personally attack over comments that were originally intended as personal opinion, which everyone on here has a right to post. One of those emails started as ..... "well i just spoke with larry on the phone and he said to tell you" ........ " and your friend satain.... blah blah blah ...... and then onto cgn it spilled.



so back to scope mount info. :D
 
nemesisincanada said:
I didn't have a problem with your posts doc although you seem very sceptical of the mount. It is Satain's post that I found a little attack oriented. I dont know any of the parties in question, I just don't think it is appropriate to get into personal attack mode on a forum against someone who is banned. l thought that before the response and more so now the response is deleted. I can not judge the validity of either post and don't really care to. In the end the 2 posts did not belong in this thread and now only one remains. it is too bad the mods did not see the need to remove both maybe Satain will edit or remove his post as you have done. Lets keep this thread for photos. scope mount critique should be performed in a separate thread, and personal and character attacks should be avoided at all costs.
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I agree with you and we are working on restoring the community building that I started with Greentips back in 2002. You are right ; personal and character attacks will be jumped on.

It's all a work in progress by volunteers around/ modding this board. :D

Cheers
Barney
 
Can anyone ID this M14 mount?

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I'm guessing no importing of the gdi G1-OSM mount?
Sounds like a nice piece of hardware.

The G1-OSM™ Gen3 M14/M1A optic mount allows the user to co-witness iron sights without removing the rear aperture, as well as the ability to provide the proper eye relief required for both M1913 Picatinny rail compatible scope rings, in addition to Trijicon® ACOG scopes without the need for additional adapters.
 
No there are way's of getting them in Canada but you will need a cheek risser just to make it work right. Although if your running a Sage this is a non-issue.
 
M14 mount in pic

H2O MAN said:
Can anyone ID this M14 mount?

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It looks like the Leatherwood scope mount:
http://hi-luxoptics.com/images/instructions/new%20m14mt%20installation.pdf

I'll know for sure because I have ordered one. Don't like the single piece mounts, too difficult to zero in. Currently have one from McCann Industries.
 
Dave-A said:
Just by chance when I was reading this artical and checking out some of the mounts he was talking about and I think I found this bad boy scope base. It' a G1-OSM by Global Defence Initiatives

http://www.gdiengineering.com/store/products/g1-0sm-optical-sight-mount-275.html
http://ustacticalsupply.com/m14g1-osmopticalsightmount.aspx


http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/M14_Scope_Mount_FAQ_070225.pdf
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Sits back nice, over the rear iron. But at $325 that's a tad expensive. The leatherwood mount is $125, and the McCann's is about 140.
 
Dave-A said:
Just by chance when I was reading this artical and checking out some of the mounts he was talking about and I think I found this bad boy scope base. It' a G1-OSM by Global Defence Initiatives

http://www.gdiengineering.com/store/products/g1-0sm-optical-sight-mount-275.html
http://ustacticalsupply.com/m14g1-osmopticalsightmount.aspx


http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/M14_Scope_Mount_FAQ_070225.pdf
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Nice piece of kit if you have the budget. If it's out of the States will these companies even ship across the border?
 
Flying Beaver said:
Nice piece of kit if you have the budget. If it's out of the States will these companies even ship across the border?
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Only if the manufacturer has applied for and received an export liscence for the mount. Otherwise, they might ship to you but if not liscenced they can lose their business.
The M14 mounts that have proven themselves in the field carried by U.S. Combat troops and LEA units range from 200 ish and up. The BASSET mount is an affordable commercial mount that got great reviews stateside.
If you really want the goods on any mount, look to the M14 forums in the U.S. There are an uncomparibly higher number of M14/M1A type rifle owners and availlable accessories. Tonnes of solid info to research posted by those who have easy access to nearly any M14 accessory known to man.
 
There is a Canadian made m14 scope mount out there, it is called m14/m1a CASM (just google it up) it is made in Victoria, BC. After trying couple different m14 mounts,I personally give up on the side hole mount ones. ( AIM brand is the worst, so save ur money). I recently purchased the m14 CASM mount and it is as solid as u can get, only draw back is, it replaces ur rear sight, but for a solid troublefree scope mount, it is a small price to pay.
 
petermoo999 said:
There is a Canadian made m14 scope mount out there, it is called m14/m1a CASM (just google it up) it is made in Victoria, BC. After trying couple different m14 mounts,I personally give up on the side hole mount ones. ( AIM brand is the worst, so save ur money). I recently purchased the m14 CASM mount and it is as solid as u can get, only draw back is, it replaces ur rear sight, but for a solid troublefree scope mount, it is a small price to pay.
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So how many screws does it need to lock in the rear?
Why did they change the name to the Granad CASM mount?
Why is there mini rear sight mount now called M14 CASM mount?
As for that BS statement that you just provided then please inform us how the D.O.D. offered NSN number to 3 major design's for this rifle that all use the side optic mount whole? They are A.R.M.S., Sadlak & oh ya that realy terriable company that knows nothing about M14's...
What waz there name???
Oh Ya!
SMITH ENTERPRISE.
Further more to dispell that farce that you just spewed. Just want to ask you why is that whole was ever even placed there on the side of the reciever for?
Plus now if you are comparing high quaility mounts such as AIM to that CASM mount well you might be right. Considering that it is China made low end quaility compared to Canadian craftsmenship. But that is about as far as that farce should go.
Good job on Frank from M14 dot ca for making that shorty red dot rear sight mount. A great idea and perfect for people that compete in the "heavy metal" devision of 3 gun like me. With a little bit of info he could modify that design to remove a couple of screws but as far as that long rail on the M14 platform Pro Mag from Mystic Precision is what I would recomend for some one in that price range.
Now not to be so negivtave to Frank. Since I know he is reading this & since I think he is on the right course. I am going to offer you some free advise to make this mount a great mount & all he needs is to do 3 more things.
Frank this info is for you and free of charge.
1) Make it out of 4140 steel. (I know it cost's more & is harder to work with but it will make this mount.)
2) Add a stripper clip guide that the rail locks down to via screw or something like that. (This will cut down on the whip caused by the in & out battery slaming)
3) If you do not want to use the side lock down bar, going down to the side mounting whole. Then use the rear pocket of the rear sight to the full potentail. *hint,hint*

Now if you follow these steps Frank the 2 ear screws and the front stripper clip screw is all that you would need. Plus then your front of the rail would need a pad like the ARMS mount to ensure that the rail is level, level, level.

Now please excuse me as my beer is getting warm.
;)
cou:
 
I don't know why some people on this site are hating on the CASM mount. I want to see actual proof that it doesn't work.

FWIW 4140 should not be necessary for a mount of this type. The reason that tool steel is generally desirable in M14 mounts is because of the rotational forces put on the side mount and the key ways that are meant to counter those forces. Aircraft grade aluminum has trouble withstanding the sheering forces on those key ways. However aircraft aluminum has some inherent benefits besides weight and machine time, namely in this context Aluminum is much more elastic then steel, especially carbon steel like 4140, 4130 etc. (FYI the fact that the ARMS 21 is cast makes it much weaker then a machined 4140 example it still works though.) Think about the relatively small amount of aluminum used in an AR receiver extension and yet it stands up to the recoil forces of serious calibers like .338LP etc without deforming or collapsing. Think about slow motion videos of 50s firing and watch that aluminum scope mount flex, the reality is that the aluminum is acting as a medium absorbing some recoil force between the scope and the recoil of the rifle. A good vid example here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5pVya7eask

The side mount hole and key ways were indeed meant to mount a scope, however in its intended use the design sucks. The rotational sheer forces on the keyways and resultant pressure on the threads of the screw/receiver are why scoping the M14 was a constant fail up until companies found ways to make use of the stripper clip guide dove tail and pressure point on the front of the receiver. Keep in mind the front pressure point actually takes more force during recoil and the dovetail takes the much lighter recoil generated by the reciprocating mass. These two points are necessary to compensate for a design flaw in the M14 receiver specifically ref scope mounting.

So with the CASM design the front bumper and the now two side screws actually take the brunt of the recoil with the back set screw taking the much lighter recoil of the action. The fact that the front floats probably helps to reduce the force of recoil on the scope itself during return to battery.

Now let me be clear here I don't know that I've never talked to whoever makes these, I don't own one and I don't have any type of horse in this race. Its just my analysis of the materials, the function of the gun, the apparent design on the mount and how they all work together processed through my own personal experience making accessories for guns.

It just seems like a design as good as any for the M14, all of which are trying to find ways around depending on the flaw in the design of the M14 receiver. mounting a scope was an afterthought to the design of the rifle which predated the days of extensive employment of optics on small arms.
 
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