Just curious will your existing action accomadate the 408 chey-tec or versions of 338/408 . thanks
Actually Peter I distinctly remember paying you and Rich EVERY week to work for MY companies.
Your reply here sure sounds to me like an admission of guilt for the conversion of property.
Well, as an owner of 4 custom actions I would be hard pressed to buy yours on a few points.
1) it is unproven( but does look really cool)
2) Your price is much much higher then your competition.
I bought 3 barnard actions , all with great triggers for $1420 each which included tax.
I also just received my Defiant( long action repeater)with spiral bolt,tear drop handle and polished SS 20 moa rail all for $1420 tax included..
I don't mean this in any way to be rude but am speaking as an average consumer of custom rifle/actions.....
Actually our Infidel action IS proven with well in excess of 5000 rounds through it to date, but whatever.
My question is how and where do you get a Defiance action for less than I pay for them? I bought more than 50 actions from Defiance this year alone so would really like to know whether I am getting screwed by Glenn and why.
I was simply giving you one consumer's honest perspective,no offense intended......
actions look sweet they look alot like the defiance machine stuff I think I read they are even made from the same grade of material a step up from the basic 416 ss. Just a question canuck how could you not have faith in a remy style action ?? just curious thanks
Savages are the small block chevy's of the shooting world, sooo easy to hot rod and tweak. Not to mention cheap, and for shooting lots thats important.
With that said, if I come into a windfall of cash I will be keeping Rick a busy man for a few months, having held the Infidel personally I would LOVE to have one of my own.
Actually our Infidel action IS proven with well in excess of 5000 rounds through it to date, but whatever.
My question is how and where do you get a Defiance action for less than I pay for them? I bought more than 50 actions from Defiance this year alone so would really like to know whether I am getting screwed by Glenn and why.
I'd say the Rem 700 is the SB Chevy and Savage more like a Briggs & Stratton.![]()
I'd say the Rem 700 is the SB Chevy and Savage more like a Briggs & Stratton.![]()
Maybe 20 years ago. Now.......?
If you have a Remington or a Savage donor action to work with, great but if you have a 700P or some Savage that shoots already, you're not going to pull it down just cuz and get a custom gun build on it. Us guys with our guns are or should be, at least, like women with their shoes. These guns are like our runner and casual shoes that we'd wear everyday, care a little less about then the ones we've been saving up to buy.
What I see in the new ATRS actions are issues addressed and built on that other action makers haven't cared enough to change and make better. Sure those actions work, Barnard, Defiance, Nesika, BAT, Surgen... but they all have something in common. And even though they vary slightly and in some cases they've invented a oval wheel and marketed it as better, from a practical stand point, though they do the job and with tighter tolerance then a Remington or Savage, they still miss the mark on some areas.
I think what has to happen is Rick should explain WHY his action is worth him spending the money to R & D and produce. He's not just making a Canadian made action for all of those guys that want to buy one made in Canada, he's building an action that, in my books is superior to almost everything out there. The one piece bolt, for example is made in-house which means it gets the same attention to detail as the action. It isn't farmed out like a lot of other companies that sell their actions as their own.
Surgen cuts their action with a one piece rail. They say it makes the action stronger but if you want to shoot further then a +20MOA rail has, you can't just pop it off and add a +30 or +40. Surgen actions, though custom have about as much slop built into them as a Remington and really haven't changed anything aside from the rail. And if that rail isn't dead straight, which in the past there have been a few, and you have to either shim the scope ring or try to send it back for warranty, have fun with that. Sending an action back to the states for warranty replacement isn't that easy.
Barnard reinvented the wheel in a bunch of ways but with a trigger system that is nice but replacement parts are from them. The actions really only fit the stocks Ian R. sells without a TON of work and if you want to drop it into a different stock, forget it. They are a very smooth action but in my opinion, the port is tiny and it's a pain in the ass. They don't have a feed ramp built into the action either and for sharp shouldered ammo like 22-250 and a lot of other rounds, they recommend you carve a feed ramp into the barrel which cuts into the chamber. The recoil lug isn't pinned either I don't think which, for a custom action would have been doable during the build process.
Nesika actually cut a notch into their extractor claw to change the angle of extraction so it would accommodate too small a port. That was their answer to their problems with extraction. Seriously??? Those actions are over 2G a piece. Ask me how I know...
The list goes on and on and on. What Rick needs to do is point out WHY his action is different then anything else you can buy out there.
I believe in buying product that makes sense from a practical point of view and if I have to pay a little more, fine a couple extra hundred is worth it for me to get a product that someone has had the nightmare of a time perfecting.
My 2 cents.
I wasn't going to respond further in this thread but when you mislead others I feel it is warranted.
Barnard actions ARE NOT over 2 grand a piece as you claim( NOT EVEN CLOSE)unless you are talking about the 50 cal but then how much is your 50 cal action? Compare apples to apples. The Barnard is $1420 tax included( for most of their models) and comes with a very very good trigger( no need for a Jewel). I also think there are many many competitive shooters around the world who consider the Barnard the best action available regardless of price (and has been well proven in competition).
Also, it is just common sense; If you are trying to break into any niche market you have to;
1) offer a product just as good or better( perhaps it is, perhaps not)
2) it has to be cheaper or at least competitive( at $1900 plus tax it isn't, not even close).
As it is I am sure you will sell some but not many.There simply isn't enough incentive at present for most potential customers to pay $1900 plus tax for an ACTION with virtually no track record, even if it is really good.
i get a chuckle out of how some people throw around "aircraft grade" as if its some huge deal. aircraft grade doesn't mean a metal has been though a V.A.R process and with todays use of the word it doesn't mean much besides the fact that alloy is used on an aircraft.
some engine parts and other critical parts will be made out of steel which has been though a V.A.R process however a lot of other parts made from the same material wont.
so by that standard any machine shop has tons of "aircraft grade" material, 4140, 4130, 4330, 4340. i mean if rick really wanted to he could market his action as 15-5PH aircraft grade because 15-5ph is a very common alloy on aircrafts and there is no actual specification on "aircraft grade"
as for 4340 vs 15-5ph ( both being either V.A.R or E.S.R) 15-5 is typically more expensive and harder to work with.