How many malfunctions do you get?

Lodi said:
Seriously? :eek:

Didja know some guns really do have clips. (Just doing my part to police other peoples speech. :p)
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Well aware thank you. The firearms that actually use clips(stripper clips or en bloc) are rarely discussed. The incorrect use of clip is used for the majority of magazine fed firearms.

TDC
 
P90Puma said:
Recently (yesterday!) attended my first IPSC match (needed it for the BB qualifier so I can continue to shoot multi-gun) after doing my black badge back in February.

I was blown away by the constant string of malfunctioning pistols, from open guns all the way to an apparently stock Glock.

Whats the deal with this? I have ~2500 rounds through my 9MM Sig P226 E2 with a TLR-2S and not one malfunction, no stovepipes, no nothing.

I only ever shoot factory ammo, and longest it has ever gone without cleaning was 500 rounds.

I know my round count is relatively low, but still ...
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It is not a good idea to test your handloads and kitchen gunsmithing during a match or a BB course. Everyone seems so confident these days. Wouldn't happen if your life depended on your firearm. Like in the States.

If people found their gun doesn't work right before the event, they wouldn't have any stoppages. Flipping and flopping parts from one gun to another without proper fitting will also play on you. Just because your pistol will cycle by hand doesn't mean it will fire on the range.

Though there are good reasons for misloaded ammo, or test ill fitted parts in your gun taken from another, or just a learning curve, there's no excuse to having stoppages on the range during courses and matches.

We need more rules ... yeah, that's it. More rules. Ban kitchen gunsmithing. Ban handloading.
 
TDC said:
Well aware thank you. The firearms that actually use clips(stripper clips or en bloc) are rarely discussed. The incorrect use of clip is used for the majority of magazine fed firearms.

TDC
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So the use of the name "clip" does not mean that you're ignorant, that is good to know.

"Jam" is used to denote a type of malfunction.

The term "3-point jam" is used to describe a type of jam.

Jam may not be a "proper" term, but it is descriptive and commonly used.
 
TDC said:
Side note: Your firearms don't "JAM" they experience a stoppage or malfunction. Jam is right up there with clips as far as ignorant terminology goes.

TDC
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Prior to about 1955 mags as we now call them were called "clips' . What we call "clips" now are really "Chargers" a term most don't use now. Elmer Keith in one of his books I read, referred to "mags" as "clips" frequently.

So in fact the terminology isn't quite as "ignorant" as you suggest.

Take Care

Bob
ps Magazines are where sailors store their gun powder at least that how the word was used for several centuries.
 
Canuck44 said:
What we call "clips" now are really "Chargers" a term most don't use now...
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Not quite true.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A stripper clip (in US parlance) or charger (in UK parlance) is a speedloader that holds several cartridges (usually consisting of 5 or 10 rounds) together in a single unit for easier loading of a firearm's magazine. A stripper clip is used only for loading the magazine and is not necessary for the firearm to function. It is called a 'stripper' clip because, after the bolt is opened and the stripper clip is placed in position (generally by placing it in a slot on either the receiver or bolt), the user presses on the cartridges from above, sliding them down and off the clip, thereby 'stripping' them off the stripper clip and into the magazine. After the magazine is loaded, the stripper clip is often discarded, but some can be reused many times, depending on the total cumulative wear on the individual stripper clip. Depending on the firearm, magazine, and cartridge, stripper clips come in a variety of shapes, some quite complex, though most are either straight or crescent-shaped pieces of stamped metal - usually brass, or steel (often blued) - or plastic.

And of course let's not forget 1/2 moon and full moon clips used for reloading some revolvers. ;)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A moon clip is a ring-shaped or star-shaped piece of metal designed to hold multiple cartridges together as a unit, for simultaneous insertion and extraction from a revolver cylinder. Moonclips may either hold an entire cylinder's worth of cartridges together, half a cylinder (half-moon clip), or just two neighboring cartridges.

Moon clips can be used either to chamber rimless cartridges in a double-action revolver (which would normally require rimmed cartridges), or to chamber multiple rimmed cartridges simultaneously. Moon clips are generally made from spring grade steel, although plastic versions have also been produced. Unlike a speedloader, a moon clip remains in place during firing, and after firing, is used to extract the empty cartridge cases.
 
THANK YOU!

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A lot of those guys probably reload, and that's the first place I would point the finger. The only time I have a problem with my M&P is if I goof up a batch of reloads (COL of one type of cast bullet a hair too long, or not closing the casemouth flair back down enough, etc). I've seen a beautiful STI .45 turn into a jam-o-matic because of bad handloads, and that warrants a shake of the head, because it's avoidable.

Learn from the other guys mistakes, it's cheaper for you that way.
 
The majority of malfunctions in IPSC production guns are user incurred. Mostly out of spec reloaded ammo, not chamber checking ect... In standard and open guns there is that, plus all the modifications that have been done, which can lead to potential complications.
 
When i first started reloading i had many malfunctions. they i got my ammo squared up and had a a few malfunctions. 1 or 2 every 100 rounds. Then i realised i my extractor was worn now i have 0 malfunctions.
 
although set to reload (308) i have yet to get into it, so i can not intelligently comment on that aspect.
from what i;ve (wife included) experienced in regards to failures are limited only to two firearms in particular.
the norc 1911a1 has failed twice, but i don't consider it a gun failure, it was a shooter error. limp wristing is asking for failures. the norc was the first handgun we learned on, the failures happened early on (newbies) and has not happened since. the ruger 22/45 we have fails like a sum##### in sub zero temperatures, but is flawless above freezing. the 21sf has yet to fail, the socomII has yet to fail.
i am stupid freaky about cleaning after every trip, and imagine doing so has its merits. but in all honesty, other than the ruger in below freezing, every failure is on our hands, not the firearm.
i reckon reloading may bolster failures, but that is not a firearm issue. unless the firearm is broke/not to spec it should go bang every time.
 
easyrider604 said:
I can understand that clip is not the same as magazine, but why is it ignorant to say "jam" instead of malfunction? Just curious:)
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Jam refers to an often sweet tasting, sticky spread applied to toasted bread or not. A malfunction or stoppage more accurately describes what has/does occur when a firearm stops functioning. Jam is an ignorant hollywood BS term that in my opinion clearly illustrates the individuals lack of knowledge with regards to firearms. When your firearm fails to operate it has indeed manfunctioned or incurred a stoppage. It in no way has produced the commonly used sweet spread called jam.

TDC
 
in my opinion clearly illustrates the individuals lack of knowledge with regards to firearms.
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Since I have a thick hide, I'll accept your opinion, although I feel it a bit harsh to say the least since you have no idea what my knowledge is or is not.
I'll just leave that at that ;)

Jam refers to an often sweet tasting, sticky spread
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Now I'm off to fix me a peanut ubber and jebby samich :p
 
Hello,

A lot of gaming shooters like to massage their own pistols.

In my experience, few take the time to learn to massage them right.

I've only shot a couple times against others in formal pistol competition. I used my carry pistol, and 1911 built on a Rock Island frame. I observed the same thing, and most of the malfs that I saw could be attributed to powder puff loads and improper springing.

I tried a couple of the loads and they wouldn't even cycle my slide completely. Put the hammer back on half ####, and that was it. (I run a 21 pound hammer spring and 18 pound recoil spring. The firing pin retaining plate is left square for recoil control and a bit more dwell time).

I also prefer Bullseye loads of 4.8 or 5.0 grains, or Winchester 231 5.2 to 5.6 grains, depending. (This is from memory, check your books!)

I've also seen a lot of folks want to baby their mult-thousand dollar pistols and optics. That's not conducive to fast shooting. The 1911 is a military pistol and I treat it as such.

Just some thoughts from what I've personally observed, folks.

Regards,

Josh
 
It's rare that i get malfunctions but if it's going to happen it does during a competition:eek: and that's chamber checked and cycle tested ammo. Go figure.
 
The wife and I have never had a malfunction during a match, but during practice once I had a squib load when I first started reloading, and another time I had a primer that wasn't seated down properly. Practice puts a bit more demand on our guns because we're shooting 300 to 500 rounds each during a session. We use CZ guns for Production.

Edit: Forgot one incident when my wife loaded a .40 S&W in her Shadow that obviously didn't work well at all! LOL
 
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