ATT for what？

onei said:
That's pretty sad ,
do they get you to put a big red sticker on your back with the letter "L" on it ?

All thats required for the range I belong to is a gate key so I can get in.
sign my name and put up a red flag
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That is all that is required after the probation shoots as well.

This is not the big issue the OP is making it out to be if the club is run right, and has staff on hand and guns to get the job done quickly and easily.
 
Well at least there is one more good thing that I think can result of the probation shoots is that you get to know the other members of your club. I can probably name 3 persons out of the 100 members plus my friends.
 
xHEADSHOTx said:
Correct.



No, although the members have some control.



Near 500 (just for handgun I believe)

Look, this isn't buck-f**k Idaho. Ontario has three times the population when compared to BC. The next closest being Quebec at just over half of Ontario's population. Give your head a shake.
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In the case of your club, and those operated similarly, memberships account for a sizable chunk of the facility's revenue. It is a very profitable revenue because it doesn't have much in the way of over-head cost. Do you not think that if all the members got together and all refused to re-new said memberships the owner/owners may have to listen and perform some much needed policy changes in order to regain the lost clients and stay in business?
 
VLT79 said:
In the case of your club, and those operated similarly, memberships account for a sizable chunk of the facility's revenue. It is a very profitable revenue because it doesn't have much in the way of over-head cost. Do you not think that if all the members got together and all refused to re-new said memberships the owner/owners may have to listen and perform some much needed policy changes in order to regain the lost clients and stay in business?
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If we all didn't buy gas wouldn't it be cheaper? Who knows, we might even be able to name our own price! :p ;) :D
 
mlehtovaara said:
My club which is for profit I believe, is I believe the largest around with I believe 2000 members, which has actually had to cap membership recently not allowing new members till the new year. Not sure if that is CFO or club ownership standards. None of these regulations are for profit, and it is proven by their decision to close the membership.

If you want to hear even more BS, we have just recently had to impose a range orientation/rules course before allowing access to the action/run and gun range because too many idiots were not following rules, and shooting up club property or doing dumb s**t with guns. Again I am not sure if this was CFO or Owner imposed, but knowing the owners pretty well this kind of policy does not come on a whim, or for no reason. There is alot of asshat "new shooters" who do not take anything seriously and lack respect for the club and it's membership.

Personally I don't disagree with the probationary shoots. There is more than a few members I have seen who shouldn't be there and if they can be filtered out then I am all for it.

And that is not to be taken as I don't want new shooters! i just want responsible ones who take it seriously and don't f**k it up for everyone else!

One thing my club deals with which many don't is the walk in guest passes, and this creates alot of issues IMHO. These are the people with no vested interest in the club, and many take full advantage of that fact. This is why I am rarely out on the weekends, and during hunting season especially!
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Wow! Well if it is non-profit then, I hate to be rude but I must say, your elected officials that are making the decisions "for the club" are complete and utter morons!

Failure to follow the rules should NOT results in everyone being punished. Simple revocation of the guilty party's membership is all that is needed. He/she will then have to deal with the CFO in order to legally keep any restricted firearms.

Guest passes are good to get new shooters in but unfortunately they are abused by many and like you said it cause issues with regular members. Some clubs keep track...3 freebies and then you need to buy a membership, or be forced to pay higher fees than a member. For actual registered competition then I don't think shooters should have to pay a premium (besides an insurance fee) so long as they are members at another club.
 
VLT79 said:
Wow! Well if it is non-profit then, I hate to be rude but I must say, your elected officials that are making the decisions "for the club" are complete and utter morons!

Failure to follow the rules should NOT results in everyone being punished. Simple revocation of the guilty party's membership is all that is needed. He/she will then have to deal with the CFO in order to legally keep any restricted firearms.

Guest passes are good to get new shooters in but unfortunately they are abused by many and like you said it cause issues with regular members. Some clubs keep track...3 freebies and then you need to buy a membership, or be forced to pay higher fees than a member. For actual registered competition then I don't think shooters should have to pay a premium (besides an insurance fee) so long as they are members at another club.
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In Ontario the CFO shuts your club down when idiot members shoot up club property and use non-approved targets.
They also like to impose mandatory RO's as well as "no sky" rules.
QC and Ontario CFO's are very anti-gun.
 
For a real laugh; You should try joining Elmira Rod and Gun. A friend of mine was turned away there, despite the fact he's already an active shooter at another well known club.

Elmira has a "No Outsiders Policy" in effect at their range.

In order to join; You need to already have family or friends who shoot there. They can "Sponsor" you so that you can join.
No sponsor = No membership.

Yeah, a real friendly bunch at that club. LOL.
 
Bg2xbq said:
The club only can help us to apply the ATT after we finished 6 probationary shooting. So I can't carry my pistol to my club to do that.

But club doesn't offer any pistol in range and range office doesn't carry any firearm to the range. The only way we can do it just borrow a pistol from members that come to the range.

That's the confused part.

I will always carry a whatever .22 lr pistol with me in the future to see anyone need to borrow.
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How is it confusing. The range wants to make sure you are competent enough with a restricted to get an ATT through them. I am a memeber at OSGC aswell, but have been a member for along time and only had to do 3 pratice shoots.
The reason why this is done is so you know what the range expects of you. 6 is a lot now but alot of fvckheads seem to ruin everything for everyone. So keep going back, but bring your NON-Restricted with ya so that way you dont just waste your time, cuz sometimes people arent there that have their att's or didnt bring as pistol with them that day.
 
VLT79 said:
In the case of your club, and those operated similarly, memberships account for a sizable chunk of the facility's revenue. It is a very profitable revenue because it doesn't have much in the way of over-head cost. Do you not think that if all the members got together and all refused to re-new said memberships the owner/owners may have to listen and perform some much needed policy changes in order to regain the lost clients and stay in business?
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Wrong as this club has a waiting list the size of santa claus for members waiting to join. Eveyr pistol owner who would not re-new their memeberships, the higher ups would probably declare no more pistol shooting.
 
Its no different then say CGN. If you have a zero trader rating and barely any posts not alot of people will have confidence in dealing with you.

You have got to start somewhere.
 
bfiles said:
Wrong as this club has a waiting list the size of santa claus for members waiting to join. Eveyr pistol owner who would not re-new their memeberships, the higher ups would probably declare no more pistol shooting.
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It's attitudes like that that may very well be the reason you fellow shooters have such screwed up policies in Southern Ontario. My native Quebec is no different!

Alberta, my new home, seems to have a more defensive approach...could be why things are much more relaxed here.

Bought a Hi-Power a couple months back, my membership had been expired for 6 months, transaction and transfer went thru no problem as did the short-term att request which we do ourselves (was actually told that my province wide long-term covered the new purchase). Memberships are sold to anyone interested, the rules are clear and posted...break them and your membership is revoked.
 
Probationary shoots and a club safety orientation isnt all that bad, and AFAIK the probationary shoots etc is a plan the club presents to the CFO for club approval and a changed depending on various factors/cfo inspections.

Some clubs have multiple ranges and its nice for someone to show you around so you arent walking around scratching your undies

The probationary shoots are fine maybe a bit excessive at some clubs with 6+ shoots and all that but some new members are NEW shooters and have never really handled a firearm before. Its one thing to load dummy rounds at the course and pass your course but it takes a bit of time to learn how a particular gun works and getting used to live fire and logistics at the firing line. It can be a lot for some and common sense for others.

Borrowing guns however is a first I heard and would never join a club that had such policy. Most folks will let you fire a mag or so but then its only fair to pay for their ammo.

RSO's I have run into so far have been nothing but helpful and given me sound advice

Maybe get a NR 22lr like a 10/22 rifle and get your shoots in, cheap gun to get and dont need att
 
ATT is like 'a permit' to take your own legally purchased car on a road, with you having valid license for the class... it sure prevents DUI too...
 
bfiles said:
How is it confusing. The range wants to make sure you are competent enough with a restricted to get an ATT through them. I am a memeber at OSGC aswell, but have been a member for along time and only had to do 3 pratice shoots.
The reason why this is done is so you know what the range expects of you. 6 is a lot now but alot of fvckheads seem to ruin everything for everyone. So keep going back, but bring your NON-Restricted with ya so that way you dont just waste your time, cuz sometimes people arent there that have their att's or didnt bring as pistol with them that day.
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Maybe I can bring me air pistol, my baikal target pistol, no ATT needed and is a real thing!
 
VLT79 said:
It's attitudes like that that may very well be the reason you fellow shooters have such screwed up policies in Southern Ontario. My native Quebec is no different!

Alberta, my new home, seems to have a more defensive approach...could be why things are much more relaxed here.

Bought a Hi-Power a couple months back, my membership had been expired for 6 months, transaction and transfer went thru no problem as did the short-term att request which we do ourselves (was actually told that my province wide long-term covered the new purchase). Memberships are sold to anyone interested, the rules are clear and posted...break them and your membership is revoked.
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f:P: yeah alrighty then.
 
Bg2xbq said:
Maybe I can bring me air pistol, my baikal target pistol, no ATT needed and is a real thing!
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You can, but it will not count towards your observations. Your best bet is to go on a sat or sun morning to afternoon. When ever I go those times, there is usually members shooting pistols. Actually any time I go their is someone in the pistol range.
If they dont want you to shoot one of their guns, well then you have to go back. I brought my CZ 91s Skorpion with me and somebody asked if they could shoot it. I clearly stated to them "can you afford to purchase another one for me in case something happens to it or even be able to find another for sale in canada for me in case something happens to it"???
They then seemed to realize why I did not want them shooting my gun.
 
bfiles said:
You can, but it will not count towards your observations. Your best bet is to go on a sat or sun morning to afternoon. When ever I go those times, there is usually members shooting pistols. Actually any time I go their is someone in the pistol range.
If they dont want you to shoot one of their guns, well then you have to go back. I brought my CZ 91s Skorpion with me and somebody asked if they could shoot it. I clearly stated to them "can you afford to purchase another one for me in case something happens to it or even be able to find another for sale in canada for me in case something happens to it"???
They then seemed to realize why I did not want them shooting my gun.
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Well I totally understood, all I am saying is that we could have one 22lr pistol as a club pistol so that these new member can borrow it do the shooting. These toys are not a bigger deal for me anyway, you can buy anything in the market as long as law premitted with enough patient.

By the way, I am offical club member since Feb.
 
Bg2xbq said:
Well I totally understood, all I am saying is that we could have one 22lr pistol as a club pistol so that these new member can borrow it do the shooting. These toys are not a bigger deal for me anyway, you can buy anything in the market as long as law premitted with enough patient.

By the way, I am offical club member since Feb.
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Glad your a member,mmaybe one time Ill see you out there and let u shoot one of my pistols and give you an observation.

I see your point about having a pistol there to lend out, but how would this work when Julie (woman at the top) is only there on wed, sat and sun?? If no one is there then how will you get the gun to shoot it??
These days might be good for some people, but others not so much.
 
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