How important is a Vent-rib to you

[Grouser]

Just wondering these shooting coaches you talked to . How many of them are shooting non vent ribbed shotguns????
In fact next time you are at the club or a tournament try to find one other than maybe yours.
Like I say to each their own, it works for you great but that is not the norm. I had simmons fit two back in the day when we shot non vent ribbed and noticed a difference and have not heard anyone say they didnot pick up a few birds back then when we shot both styles.
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My Sporting guns all have vent ribs I never said they were not vented -- hard to find a modern gun without one. I shot non vented guns in my early years of shooting clay games and from my experience vented never really made that much difference. I agree with the heat dispersal aspect of vent ribs -- all I'm saying is they are not necessary to shoot well and are not the end all be all. There are a lot of new & different fashionable things added to guns these days like ported barrels, various kings of very high ribs -- all makers touting new and improved-- all designed to sell more guns but we could probably do nicely without them.
Cheers.

 

[M12shooter]

My Sporting guns all have vent ribs I never said they were not vented -- hard to find a modern gun without one. I shot non vented guns in my early years of shooting clay games and from my experience vented never really made that much difference. I agree with the heat dispersal aspect of vent ribs -- all I'm saying is they are not necessary to shoot well and are not the end all be all. There are a lot of new & different fashionable things added to guns these days like ported barrels, various kings of very high ribs -- all makers touting new and improved-- all designed to sell more guns but we could probably do nicely without them.
Cheers.

One of my late uncles was an accomplished duck shot. He as my father were a products of the Great Depression and would never waste a round for anything. I remember as a teenager the old worn Winchester shotgun he used for killing duck dinners with proficiency. It naturally had a plain barrel and apparently the bead fell out sometime "after the war". Never slowed him down a bit.

 

[Win/64]

One of my late uncles was an accomplished duck shot. He as my father were a products of the Great Depression and would never waste a round for anything. I remember as a teenager the old worn Winchester shotgun he used for killing duck dinners with proficiency. It naturally had a plain barrel and apparently the bead fell out sometime "after the war". Never slowed him down a bit.

The times they are a changin.

 

[Northman999]

My first shotgun was an Auto-5 with a raised front bead and no vented rib.

I couldn't hit squat with it, and neither could most of the fellows who I let shoot if a few times to see if it was just me.

I switched to a Beretta with a vented rib and it was like somebody flipped a switch and all of a sudden the waterfowl just started falling from the skies.

I consider vented rib to be an absolute necessity now.

 

[Chumlee Bumsnag]

I use a Browning BT-99 for trap with a very high tapered rib. The rib is high near the chamber and low near the muzzle. This makes the gun shoot high. You don't cover the bird like you do with a field gun. When your your gun is fitted correctly, you have the front bead at the bottom of the bird. This enables you to actually see the target while you tracking it.

 

[3macs1]

The times they are a changin.

On the vent rib issue that happened to me in the 60's. I always love the duck hunter legends. When they finally show on a skeet ot trap field I have yet see one run the targets or even come close to running 25.
Most we see once and never again. Shooting target and ducks which I do both is night and day. Too much thinking and time to make mistakes in target shooting for me which creates the missed bird vs a hunting situation where it is more instinct.

 

[wicket]

On the vent rib issue that happened to me in the 60's. I always love the duck hunter legends. When they finally show on a skeet ot trap field I have yet see one run the targets or even come close to running 25.
Most we see once and never again. Shooting target and ducks which I do both is night and day. Too much thinking and time to make mistakes in target shooting for me which creates the missed bird vs a hunting situation where it is more instinct.

thats a new one....too much thinking and time not a dig just never heard that one before. i dont see it as day and night shotgunning is shotgunning. swing slap follow thru of course there is much more to it, but if you have a grasp of how to shoot in my opinion the target you are shooting at shouldnt matter.

 

[3macs1]

thats a new one....too much thinking and time not a dig just never heard that one before. i dont see it as day and night shotgunning is shotgunning. swing slap follow thru of course there is much more to it, but if you have a grasp of how to shoot in my opinion the target you are shooting at shouldnt matter.

Everyone has their own opinion on this. My comments are from almost 40 years of watching these local legends all excellent shotgunners in hunting situations hit the various target fields for the 1st time. To this day I have never seen one of them break all 25 until many rounds and weeks later. In fairness the poor duck hunter may shoot 200 rounds a year and the skeet shooter next to him shoots that a week.
If you think shotgunning is shotgunning I guess you run 100 with the 410 on a regular basis Those are the guys that impress the hell out of me. All with vent ribbed guns

 

[struff55]

Here's a challenge to you mister 3masc1 if you ever come to Saskatoon look me me up we can go to our local club and shoot 16yd singles I will use my 1939 model 12 modified choke 28'' plain bbl and you can use whatever you desire I can shoot a doable AA average with it no problem ,then we can go to the skeet field and I will shoot a model12 plain bbl imp,cyl choke gun, I will likely drop a few birds on the doubles not because of the plain bbl but because I can't pump like when I was 27 now that I am 57 by the way i have been shootng targets since i was 15yrs old. You may hit a bird or to more than i but it will have nothing to do with the gun.

 

[3macs1]

Here's a challenge to you mister 3masc1 if you ever come to Saskatoon look me me up we can go to our local club and shoot 16yd singles I will use my 1939 model 12 modified choke 28'' plain bbl and you can use whatever you desire I can shoot a doable AA average with it no problem ,then we can go to the skeet field and I will shoot a model12 plain bbl imp,cyl choke gun, I will likely drop a few birds on the doubles not because of the plain bbl but because I can't pump like when I was 27 now that I am 57 by the way i have been shootng targets since i was 15yrs old. You may hit a bird or to more than i but it will have nothing to do with the gun.

I love challenges, up until 8 years ago I would have been in Saskatoon probally at least 2 times a year since we sold a ton of product to the potash mines and would have to travel there for installations, training and of course goose hunting. My health from cancer put a stop to that unfortunately and I was forced to retire quite early however I still have some good friends up that way so one never knows.
Put $100 in the hat and we can give it a wirl since I always shoot better for some strange reason when cash is involved. We can use it for lunch and what ever afterwards.
For what it is worth we are close enough in age and from reading many of your previous posts similiar backgounds and the same vintage for sure. I started shooting skeet targets officially with a 1100 large frame at 13 or 14 which I still have and a 870 12ga for trap which was not a sport shot on a regular basis here.. My Dad was a big time skeet/ trap shooter and shot all over canada so like it or not it was a big part of our life until he passed. He would toss all of us in the old station wagon and off to an event. That was a family vacation to him. He loved Ontario however Orillia did nothing for me at the time and looking back I can almost remember the gun store close to the club that we know today as epps I think???. He loved that club something to do with the founder was from Nova Scotia and a friend of his father or grandfather, God Knows I cannot remember.
Trap is not my cup of tea and you will gain some birds on me there but I am confident I will pick them back on the skeet field. I don't want to hear any
excuses however about being old and cannot pump quick any more since you are talking to a guy that will be using a rem 870 in 28ga with a skeet barrel and mod barrel for 16 yard trap. That has been my gun of choice for many years now. Vent rib of course
On the rib not saying there is not guys out there that cannot shoot a non vent rib better or as well as a ribbed gun but they are not the norm.
I bet 99% of this group would be over 55 year old and started with a plain barrel. The way I look at it if in competition even if one thinks it helps it is worth it but if it picks up even one extra bird why would you not have a vent rib. The way it reduces the glare from the sun on the top of the barrel is enough reason for me. I was a guy like most in the day that even honed out the shot bars on the MEC's to make sure we were getting every single pellet we were allowed. Hard pill to swallow when one shoots a 396/400 in a 4 gun event and not place in the top three. There was some wicked shooters around when I was coming up so any even a preceived advantage you quickly added to your game and box of tools vent rib being one of them.take care

 

[wicket]

Everyone has their own opinion on this. My comments are from almost 40 years of watching these local legends all excellent shotgunners in hunting situations hit the various target fields for the 1st time. To this day I have never seen one of them break all 25 until many rounds and weeks later. In fairness the poor duck hunter may shoot 200 rounds a year and the skeet shooter next to him shoots that a week.
If you think shotgunning is shotgunning I guess you run 100 with the 410 on a regular basis Those are the guys that impress the hell out of me. All with vent ribbed guns

actually since you brought it up Im a 2 time all american first team member among many other shooting accomplishments. I am also a duck guide with over 30yrs exp in both so yes, i do believe shotgunning is shotgunning. You are correct everyone has their own opinion and those were mine.
ps I am a big fan of vent ribs and they are very important to me

 

[3macs1]

actually since you brought it up Im a 2 time all american first team member among many other shooting accomplishments. I am also a duck guide with over 30yrs exp in both so yes, i do believe shotgunning is shotgunning. You are correct everyone has their own opinion and those were mine.
ps I am a big fan of vent ribs and they are very important to me

Good for you. I am just a hillbilly from west virginia but spent a fair amount of time shooting state side over the years and was fortunate to attend some events. Still have a ton of family in the US, texas , ohio etc. Got to see a few of the current 1st team members shoot over the years like paxton and Mayes when at my sisters. What year(s) and state did you represent when you were a 1st open team member ??.
How many career 500x500's and 400x 400's do you have

 

[wicket]

Good for you. I am just a hillbilly from west virginia but spent a fair amount of time shooting state side over the years and was fortunate to attend some events. Still have a ton of family in the US, texas , ohio etc. Got to see a few of the current 1st team members shoot over the years like paxton and Mayes when at my sisters. What year(s) and state did you represent when you were a 1st open team member ??.
How many career 500x500's and 400x 400's do you have

I am Canadian, trap all american first team, shot all over your states , dont talk about records or runs or titles.

 

[Turkeyslayer 1300]

I'm no All-American anything, I'm just a peckerwood who live in the hills with too many shotguns.

But I am younger and quicker than all the others posting in this thread, so if either side needs back-up just send me a few shotguns and I will ring them out for you.

 

[gunsaholic]

I'm just a peckerwood who live in the hills with too many shotguns.

Me too except I live on the prairie!!

 

[3macs1]

I am Canadian, trap all american first team, shot all over your states , dont talk about records or runs or titles.

I don't really follow trap too much but funny you are not listed with Paul Shaw and the few other canadian repeat first team all american members. Unless you are the dude from BC that would be 96 now .
My nicest memories of trap shooting was having the pleasure growing up watching John shoot He was something else to watch smash targets
http://www.sportnovascotia.ca/hof/Inductees/Search/InducteeDetails/tabid/571/Default.aspx?m=722



Oh well have to run
Take care

 

[wicket]

I don't really follow trap too much but funny you are not listed with Paul Shaw and the few other canadian repeat first team all american members. Unless you are the dude from BC that would be 96 now .
My nicest memories of trap shooting was having the pleasure growing up watching John shoot He was something else to watch smash targets
http://www.sportnovascotia.ca/hof/Inductees/Search/InducteeDetails/tabid/571/Default.aspx?m=722



Oh well have to run
Take care

typical internet msg board bs....call someone out on experience then dont believe them then try to disprove them...before posting I could have written how this was going to go lol..... typical that someone expresses an opinon that differs from theirs and they go to great lengths to disprove them as well. The thing is I dont get caught up in this sort of thing nor do I ever ever feel the need to prove myself. good luck with the rest of your life maybe broaden your view.

 

[3macs1]

typical internet msg board bs....call someone out on experience then dont believe them then try to disprove them...before posting I could have written how this was going to go lol..... typical that someone expresses an opinon that differs from theirs and they go to great lengths to disprove them as well. The thing is I dont get caught up in this sort of thing nor do I ever ever feel the need to prove myself. good luck with the rest of your life maybe broaden your view.

Typical internet msg board bs and you are one to talk , an all american 1st team member not once but twice would be something one would have no trouble sharing and proving, you if true like I said earlier good for you but you best get the records updated.Great lengths I don't think so , just got my curosity since it's a pretty small group my friend you say you are a member of once you indicated you were Canadian and then first team and even larger twice.. All fully documeneted and accessable through an ATA forum which listed two guys as noted. Anyway have to run Tod Bender and I are hitting the skeet field in a hour.
My life has been real good and real. Anyway I am done with this. Take care and continure to break them all

 

[davemccarthy707]

Typical internet msg board bs and you are one to talk , an all american 1st team member not once but twice would be something one would have no trouble sharing and proving, you if true like I said earlier good for you but you best get the records updated.Great lengths I don't think so , just got my curosity since it's a pretty small group my friend you say you are a member of once you indicated you were Canadian and then first team and even larger twice.. All fully documeneted and accessable through an ATA forum which listed two guys as noted. Anyway have to run Tod Bender and I are hitting the skeet field in a hour.
My life has been real good and real. Anyway I am done with this. Take care and continure to break them all

Willie Nelson always told me, never name drop...

 

[wicket]

sarcasm duely noted mac.

guess I didnt mention that I was on the sub junior all american first team 2 years didnt see the need, or does that not count in your books.Maybe you did not research readlily available ATA information thorougly enough in your effort to disprove someone you dont know for whatever reason. thought I would let you type away a bit before i responded. If the sub juniour cavaet means nothing to you then maybe beating 3400 shooters by winning the prel handicap at the Grand American by breaking 100 would matter. Maybe you were one of them? I could go on but its really not in my nature unless someone such as yourself suggests that I am a liar. The best most satisfying aspect of all my shooting days was wearing my CANADIAN gear and winning with respect for the sport and humility in your country for my country. So going back to your original wee bit smug post saying "I suppose you run 100 with a 410 on a regular basis" which opened this can of worms that you couldnt let go.....No I have not run 100s with a .410 but have done it plenty with a 12 at all dif yardages and in doubles....and yes I still do believe shotgunning is shotgunning, and still think a vent rib is important.