Daniel Defense AR vs Norinco

$1500 for an AR is far from expensive, and DD is definitely a top end brand. I get it. If you shoot from the bench a couple times a year and for a couple hundred rounds, striving for tiny groups or enjoy bump firing a 5 round magazine, then the Norc is an economical choice. It may even run "flawlessly" for several years worth of shooting at such a pace. If you want a quality firearm that you never ever have to doubt will run as designed then don't buy a Norc. Its no surprise that those who buy cheap as in cheap quality are always the first ones validating their purchase with price. Those who buy brand name rarely if ever need to or feel compelled to validate their purchase. Buy what you like, just don't pretend you wouldn't take a better brand name product if given the chance.

TDC

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I totally agree with you !!!
If i had the money i would of bought a DD before a Norco!!!

My 2 cents!!!
 
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This name one thing about your expensive rifles is better then the norc is retarded , every single one I've handled has had the flash hider installed incorrectly, that for me is enough to write off the rifle and it's manufacturer because if their cq is so poor that the let rifles with mis-aligned parts on the exterior of the rifle, what is overlooked with regard to the internals and critical functioning parts. Also I've seen dozens of posts of guys having issues with last shot hold open in norcs.

Sure your norc might be fun, like. 50cc pocket bike it's cheap Chinese made junk and yet fun, but it is no ducati. It looks nasty and has a bark but does not at all have the bite to back it up.

Like someone said I don't hear anyone arguing a Hyundai is better than a Porsche so why does this carry over into the firearm world ? Want me to list everything that makes a porsche worth more then a Hyundai? (rhetorical)
 
. That being said, the REPUTABLE brands in the US put out far far fewer lemons than Norinco.

You and the other Norinco fanboys can tout how awesome your cheap rifles are all day. I can't be bothered saving a few bucks and taking the risk in owning a non functioning look alike. TDC
Well for one they are not look alike ,They ARE AR15's plain and simple , They work they shoot , your gun might malfunction and you cant say your has a less chance . I have had plenty of american Made Ar's in the safe and they work like the norc

. Those who buy brand name rarely if ever need to or feel compelled to validate their purchase. Buy what you like, just don't pretend you wouldn't take a better brand name product if given the chance.

TDC
I have had many ,curently have a nork sitting in the safe and also blaxson whas asked today what the best AR was ? he said Norinco:D
 
I have had many ,curently have a nork sitting in the safe and also blaxson whas asked today what the best AR was ? he said Norinco:D

LIES! ALL LIES I TELL YOU!! :redface:
I believe I said it offered the best value for a starter AR, and that I'd recommend it over an NEA. Truthfully, I'd recommend anything over an NEA. I hear the DD is pretty nice, so if you have more than a $700 budget I'd suggest spending the extra $$ and getting something a bit better.
 
You and the other Norinco fanboys can tout how awesome your cheap rifles are all day. Bottom line is that quality US made AR's are better built with better materials. If yours runs, great. I can't be bothered saving a few bucks and taking the risk in owning a non functioning look alike. Many see their firearms as toys, I see them as tools. If I can't trust my life to them and trust that they will work on demand, I won't waste my time with it. If as Zeer posted above, you're short on funds and looking for a giggle toy, then the Norc would fit that bill.

TDC

While I generally agree with what you are saying, I'll ask you this pointedly. What occupation are you employed in where you need to consider firearms as "tools" to trust your life to?
 
Well for one they are not look alike ,They ARE AR15's plain and simple , They work they shoot , your gun might malfunction and you cant say your has a less chance . I have had plenty of american Made Ar's in the safe and they work like the norc

I have had many ,curently have a nork sitting in the safe and also blaxson whas asked today what the best AR was ? he said Norinco:D

Now I'm curious, why did you end up with a Norc when you had other US made rifles? Furthermore, what brand(s) were they?


While I generally agree with what you are saying, I'll ask you this pointedly. What occupation are you employed in where you need to consider firearms as "tools" to trust your life to?


You don't have to be employed by the MIL/LE to appreciate the benefits of a tool you can trust your life to. I'm neither MIL or LE nor do I require a firearm for daily work, yet. Governments fall, financial systems fail and scumbags participate in robbery/home invasions. Aside from those very rare events, a tool that I can trust my life to is one that works all the time any time. Which makes range sessions and matches that much more enjoyable when I don't have to worry about my gear failing. Make sense?

TDC
 
While I generally agree with what you are saying, I'll ask you this pointedly. What occupation are you employed in where you need to consider firearms as "tools" to trust your life to?

You don't have to be a fire fighter to want to have a fire extinguisher that you can trust your life to...;)
 
Now I'm curious, why did you end up with a Norc when you had other US made rifles? Furthermore, what brand(s) were they?





You don't have to be employed by the MIL/LE to appreciate the benefits of a tool you can trust your life to. I'm neither MIL or LE nor do I require a firearm for daily work, yet. Governments fall, financial systems fail and scumbags participate in robbery/home invasions. Aside from those very rare events, a tool that I can trust my life to is one that works all the time any time. Which makes range sessions and matches that much more enjoyable when I don't have to worry about my gear failing. Make sense?

TDC

Except the Norc has proven to meet your requirements, so to me it just seems you are personally biased against them.

I don't own a Norc AR, but I still respect the Norc due to the fact it has impressed me. It wouldn't be my first choice, but with PMags, proper maintance and a standard service kit, I would trust my life to one.
 
Now I'm curious, why did you end up with a Norc when you had other US made rifles? Furthermore, what brand(s) were they?





You don't have to be employed by the MIL/LE to appreciate the benefits of a tool you can trust your life to. I'm neither MIL or LE nor do I require a firearm for daily work, yet. Governments fall, financial systems fail and scumbags participate in robbery/home invasions. Aside from those very rare events, a tool that I can trust my life to is one that works all the time any time. Which makes range sessions and matches that much more enjoyable when I don't have to worry about my gear failing. Make sense?

TDC
I have had and Armatile an RRA and the last was an Eagle that I just sold about 2 months ago on the EE ,as reasons why I sold them? dident shoot them enough and thought someone else would, I built my house and that ate up a year and a half of free time ,and now my 8 and 5 year old keep me busy ,the boy is in hockey, the girl is in skateing . I probley go through 15-20 guns a year buyin/selling etc... I still have guns that have there tags on them (unfired) from a couple years ago , have probley gon through 20 10/22's at least a dosen sks's a few M305s etc..... I think the herd is thined down 22 right now (only 2 norks)
The Norc fits the bill and it works Reliably
 
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LIES! ALL LIES I TELL YOU!! :redface:
I believe I said it offered the best value for a starter AR, and that I'd recommend it over an NEA. Truthfully, I'd recommend anything over an NEA. I hear the DD is pretty nice, so if you have more than a $700 budget I'd suggest spending the extra $$ and getting something a bit better.

NEA really that bad?

Sorry I'm just new to this AR thing and would like to get one in the next few months (Spring next year) still saving up and absorbing lots of info.

Was leaning into getting an NEA. What issues are common with the brand?

So sorry for the newbie questions. I'm still learning.

Ooooops I think I de-railed the thread :p


:D
 
Except the Norc has proven to meet your requirements, so to me it just seems you are personally biased against them.

I don't own a Norc AR, but I still respect the Norc due to the fact it has impressed me. It wouldn't be my first choice, but with PMags, proper maintance and a standard service kit, I would trust my life to one.

A norc doesn't fit my criteria. I've seen too many fail and the fit and finish as well as materials are poor. They also do not offer a mid length.

Tdc
 
I have had and Armatile an RRA and the last was an Eagle that I just sold about 2 months ago on the EE ,as reasons why I sold them? dident shoot them enough and thought someone else would, I built my house and that ate up a year and a half of free time ,and now my 8 and 5 year old keep me busy ,the boy is in hockey, the girl is in skateing . I probley go through 15-20 guns a year buyin/selling etc... I still have guns that have there tags from a couple years ago , have probley gon through 20 10/22's at least a dosen sks's a few M305s etc.....

Funny how life consumes your resources like that.

Tdc
 
NEA really that bad?

Sorry I'm just new to this AR thing and would like to get one in the next few months (Spring next year) still saving up and absorbing lots of info.

Was leaning into getting an NEA. What issues are common with the brand?

So sorry for the newbie questions. I'm still learning.

Ooooops I think I de-railed the thread :p


:D

They are not "really that bad". I think some people here would recommend a Norc over an NEA because of a number of "issues", not all of those issues being related to quality...issues like shilling, involvement (or the perception of such) in people being booted from CGN, etc. have turned people off NEA probably for good no matter how well their rifles are made.

OK, derailing of the already derailed thread is over, now back to our regularly scheduled Norc vs. high-end AR debate :popCorn:
 
Why do you have to be a gun fighter to want only the best? Again using a metaphor, no one tells the rich they have no reason to buy a Porsche or mercedes. Isnt life basically buy the best you can afford? And if a norc is all you can afford great but it, buy please don't ever compare it to a high end AR. It is a sheep in wolves clothing after all and any one who would trust their life to it must be over trusting or not value their life very much as an lmt or dd are only 5-7 hundred dollars more...
 
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