Daniel Defense AR vs Norinco

R1_Raven said:
OMG, i don't understand why people are so crazy about this situation!!!!
It was only one DD Ar that were having this "CUSTOM RELOAD" issue!!! It doesn't meet that all the DD AR are s**t !!!!
I know people at the range that had issues with there LMT, KAC & Stag!!! It wasn't the end of the world!!! Those rifles are normally convert by there manufacturer warranty compare to Norco customer service !!!

DD AR were up for sale in the USA for about 3 years and the reviews are awesome (base on internet reviews)!!! I never heard someone complaining about DD AR in the net except here!!! it kind of bizarre.... From what i have heard Daniel defense and Norco are in two different class!!! They shouldn't even be in the same sentense!!!!
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I'm not trying to say that Norinco is better than a higher end brand, because its not. I'm simply saying that no matter what people say, these guns are range toys in Canada. If you use it for anything else you're going to jail. If a Norinco or DD doesn't feed once in a while its inconvenient but not the end of the world.

For that reason I say buy what you can afford and enjoy it. But let's not pretend that a $2000 rifle and a $600 EOTech is the only reasonable and safe option.

And last, for those of you that don't want to support the Chinese economy by buying a gun from them, check out where the safe that protects your guns was built.
 
Carefactor_Zer0 said:
let's not pretend that a $2000 rifle and a $600 EOTech is the only reasonable and safe option.
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It really isn't about safety. It's about quality standards and result expectations.

Here is a quick test: Inside a room, on a table there are four AR15s: a Norinco, an NEA, a DD and a Noveske. Somebody tells you to go in and pick up whichever you want as a gift but you could never sell it. We could do this with, motorcycles, cars, ATVs, etc.

Which would you pick up if money was out of the picture? Most normal people would unquestionably take the highest quality product. It's the same with buying your own. Most normal people, if they could afford it, would go with the highest quality.

We're not all loaded so, lesser quality products are available in every field but we all know that it's just a compromise.

The Chinese are terrible at QC and most people end up spending almost what it would cost them to buy a better product, just trying to bring their new toy to a higher standard of quality, not even realizing that the money they spent puts them in the price range of a better item.

My friend bought a Norinco AR a few months ago and within ten rounds, his bolt retaining pin broke. Not an expensive part but, very disappointing.

The saying that you get what you pay for has always been true...
 
winnipegger said:
Why do you have to be a gun fighter to want only the best? Again using a metaphor, no one tells the rich they have no reason to buy a Porsche or mercedes. Isnt life basically buy the best you can afford? And if a norc is all you can afford great but it, buy please don't ever compare it to a high end AR. It is a sheep in wolves clothing after all and any one who would trust their life to it must be over trusting or not value their life very much as an lmt or dd are only 5-7 hundred dollars more...
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A Porscha and a hyundai are 2 completly two different things the only thing that connects the 2 is the fact that that they both have 4 wheels and thats it The Parts dont interchange. Pumpkins to watermelons

AR15s parts do interchange , They are made to be the same , an ar15 is an ar15 is an ar15 anyway you look at and there is no disputing that.
Some manufactures use different material ,some have different tolerances but in the end it is an AR15.

Will the Norc do the same thing as an NEA,Armalite,DD,RRA etc... ? yes you pull the trigger it gose bang! to say that one day a nork will malfunction and will be the only brand to malfunction is insane , look on youtube ,Google AR15 malfunction or Kboom and you will see all the top brands out there have had issues and will have issues and Norks will have issues to.
No one said a norinco is better than a high end AR-15 and no won is saying that , They are asking what will a High end AR15 do that a norinco wont?
This is not a question of fit and finish as the high end AR15 have the top noch fit and finish , you pay for it .
But at the end of the Day an AR15 is an AR15 , a volkswagon is not a ferrari.

What will a High end AR15 do that a norinco wont?
(high end might fit a slide fire stock better )
 
Carefactor_Zer0 said:
I'm not trying to say that Norinco is better than a higher end brand, because its not. I'm simply saying that no matter what people say, these guns are range toys in Canada. If you use it for anything else you're going to jail. If a Norinco or DD doesn't feed once in a while its inconvenient but not the end of the world.

For that reason I say buy what you can afford and enjoy it. But let's not pretend that a $2000 rifle and a $600 EOTech is the only reasonable and safe option.

And last, for those of you that don't want to support the Chinese economy by buying a gun from them, check out where the safe that protects your guns was built.
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Not true with regard to self defense. Plenty of cases in canada where scumbag was shot and home owner walked. As they should. Regardless if you feel obeying the law is more important than defending yourself so be it. I will shoot first and deal with the results after.

Tdc
 
BCboy said:
A Porscha and a hyundai are 2 completly two different things the only thing that connects the 2 is the fact that that they both have 4 wheels and thats it The Parts dont interchange. Pumpkins to watermelons

AR15s parts do interchange , They are made to be the same , an ar15 is an ar15 is an ar15 anyway you look at and there is no disputing that.
Some manufactures use different material ,some have different tolerances but in the end it is an AR15.

Will the Norc do the same thing as an NEA,Armalite,DD,RRA etc... ? yes you pull the trigger it gose bang! to say that one day a nork will malfunction and will be the only brand to malfunction is insane , look on youtube ,Google AR15 malfunction or Kboom and you will see all the top brands out there have had issues and will have issues and Norks will have issues to.
No one said a norinco is better than a high end AR-15 and no won is saying that , They are asking what will a High end AR15 do that a norinco wont?
This is not a question of fit and finish as the high end AR15 have the top noch fit and finish , you pay for it .
But at the end of the Day an AR15 is an AR15 , a volkswagon is not a ferrari.

What will a High end AR15 do that a norinco wont?
(high end might fit a slide fire stock better )
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A quality ar will be more accurate and last longer than a lesser quality model. Hence the reason you buy high end or quality goods. Sure a big Mac is food but it doesn't compare to earls or red lobster.

Tdc
 
TDC said:
A quality ar will be more accurate and last longer than a lesser quality model. Hence the reason you buy high end or quality goods. Sure a big Mac is food but it doesn't compare to earls or red lobster.

Tdc
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AR acuracy has more to do with the barrel than the sum of the pretty parts sitting behind it.
 
Captain Paul said:
mcdonalds are pretty much THE best in quality control. you get exactly what you are expecting. Red Lobster on the other hand is hit or miss.

Apples and oranges (if you eat any fruits at all)
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You're right. Mcdonalds consistently sell #### products and over charge for what you get. Just like norinco.

Tdc
 
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TDC said:
You're right. Mcdonalds consistently sell s**t products and over charge for what you get. Just like norinco.

Tdc
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I don't think so. For $700 I got myself a pretty good AR. Again this is based on MY EXPERIENCE and not saying the Norc is better than the higher cost ones.

I've had mine for about 2 years - not one hiccup when shooting 223, had a few FTE when shooting 22lr with the conversion, but that's expected. Few weekends ago for ####s and giggles speed loaded 10 LAR mags (100 rounds - not one FTF or FTE). Yeah I wasted $40 bux in a couple mins and it was smoking but still kept going all day.

It does the job for me...reliable, accurate for my skill level and can't beat the cost.

As I get better in shooting and want to compete and I feel that it's the equipment that is hindering me not my skill, then yes, if I have the cash I'd go with a Stag, DD, LMT, etc - no doubt about it.
 
dquick said:
I don't think so. For $700 I got myself a pretty good AR. Again this is based on MY EXPERIENCE and not saying the Norc is better than the higher cost ones.

I've had mine for about 2 years - not one hiccup when shooting 223, had a few FTE when shooting 22lr with the conversion, but that's expected. Few weekends ago for ####s and giggles speed loaded 10 LAR mags (100 rounds - not one FTF or FTE). Yeah I wasted $40 bux in a couple mins and it was smoking but still kept going all day.

It does the job for me...reliable, accurate for my skill level and can't beat the cost.

As I get better in shooting and want to compete and I feel that it's the equipment that is hindering me not my skill, then yes, if I have the cash I'd go with a Stag, DD, LMT, etc - no doubt about it.
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100 rounds rapid is not definitive of anything. How people can justify dropping 700 on a so called starter rifle then say they would spend 1500 plus later when their prime reason for choosing the 700 rifle was price. Its asinine.

Tdc
 
I never intended this thread to be a Norinco quality sounding board. I suspect the DD has a tighter chamber than they intended, but it will shoot factory just fine.

I propose to install a target scope on both rifles and shoot both off the bench at 100 yards, with a variety of ammo. I know my Norc is not very accurate. I recall testing it when I got it and it was around 2" I think. Hope to shoot it next week.

I will report back.
 
If you're invested in a lower quality product, you will redefine logic in your attempt to justify your choice but you are mostly trying to convince yourself that you've made the right choice, so that you don't have regrets. Nobody wants regrets. They eat at you from the inside.

If you start digging a little deeper into why most people buy an AR, it is not so you can throw a bunch of rounds down the range for fun. It's got to do with a military/tactical image. If you want to plink cheaply once a month, you'd get an SKS, or a 10/22 and a bunch of cheap ammo.

People get into the AR platform for very specific reason but then they compromise on the quality of the product, negating that reason in the first place. For many, looking the part is all that matters. For others, looking the part is nothing without the results.
 
TDC said:
100 rounds rapid is not definitive of anything. How people can justify dropping 700 on a so called starter rifle then say they would spend 1500 plus later when their prime reason for choosing the 700 rifle was price. Its asinine.

Tdc
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Not saying it is definitive, but FOR ME it is. It's been reliable since day one and won't hesitate to use if my life depended on it. Again, THAT'S ME.

As for your 2nd statement, agree to disagree. I've been shooting for about 3 years now, so I still consider myself new. Sorry not gonna drop 1500+ for my 1st rifle. When I started playing hockey or riding a motorcycle...not gonna drop $200+ on a stick or 10K on GSXR...my skill level at the time is not there to maximize the benefits of the equipment or if I'll even stick with it.
 
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