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- Prince George, BC
Issues With BC Chief Firearms Officer
- Thread starter KomplexMojo
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str8shooterbc
New member
The PAL issue or renewal is handled by Miramichi and it is only when " something is not filled out right or a flag comes up" that the BC CFO office gets involved. I'm told that Alberta is handling the overflow from BC as BC handled the overflow in Alberta a few months ago.
I'm just not buying the whole story. Something just isn't smelling right.
Ken
str8shooterbc
New member
Sorry Ken, that is completely false. The CFOs are responsible for almost everything to do with licencing, whether it's individuals or businesses. They are also responsible for their provinces CFSC instructors.
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Miramichi is a paper factory that's all.
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To get a really good handle on all of this you have to read the reports. You also have to be able to read between the lines and fight your way through bureaucratese.
And, if you do decide to read through them keep in mind that some of them have been re-written a couple of times. I have some of them saved on my computer from 6 years ago, the originals, and they are not always the same as what you will read today. God knows what they'll say under a new government.
Here's a link to a number of reports that everyone here should familiarize themselves with. Most especially the new guys. Things these reports won't tell you is that all of the CFOs get together once or twice a year just to make sure they are all on the same page. That pretty much started with Marty Cheliak.
Anyway, here's the link. Happy reading.
I should add that you will find the CFP Evaluation Report and the Management Control Framework Audit to be informative but somewhat biased.
The Comissioner of Firearms Reports get a little flowery in their self promotion starting around 2009. The prior reports were more meat and potatoes but God only knows what they say now. I haven't read them in a year or so.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/rep-rap/index-eng.htm
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You may have misunderstood. That was the case with transfers. Non-restricted transfers were usually handled by Miramichi unless there was a problem, restricteds always went to the CFO's office.
Firearms Act Section 28(b) and 67 detail the licence renewals,but we know that this is really just about bureaucrats coming up with make work projects to keep their jobs.I wish someone would introduce them to things like email and telephones
Firearms Act Section 28(b) and 67 detail the licence renewals,but we know that this is really just about bureaucrats coming up with make work projects to keep their jobs.I wish someone would introduce them to things like email and telephones
To be honest I believe it's much more nefarious than that but it's pure speculation on my part. It is more than make work though and it all pretty well started when Chris Wyatt in Ontario decided to defy parliament in April. Not too much #####in before then except at Christmas.
When I applied for my rPAL in BC I was also following a thread by a fellow CGNut who had had a similar time frame to me. My rPal was approved and issued by the CFC but his was referred to the BC CFO for approval and was subsequently delayed.
There was no apparent reason why they were treated differently.
Take your RPAL out of your wallet and look at what it says on the back at the bottom left hand corner.(English)
It doesn't say Betty from Miramichi does it?
All licences MUST be approved by the CFO of the province in which you reside.
I just submitted my ltatt on sept 10 and i have my first restricted waiting for this att. After reading this thread now i have this uneasy feeling at the back of my head.
When do you think i should call? i'm really tempted to call just to check have they receive my application or not.
Maybe i should just visit the surrey office?
When do you think i should call? i'm really tempted to call just to check have they receive my application or not.
Maybe i should just visit the surrey office?
Odds are it will take 4-6 weeks in total. I made my application over the phone, so I was 100% sure they got it. As for my club membership, I did fax that in. At first they wouldn't confirm whether or not it was received. But then I spoke with someone who had me fax it again, this time she called me back as soon as she got it.
Visiting the Surrey office might help. I think 1-2 people have had their LTATTs approved on the spot.
You can also contact your MP about the delays. Some people have had some success when MPs contacted the CFO on their behalf.
The last option I can think of is filing for a judicial review. If you search around these forums (or on BC gov't websites) you can find the form. Basically you'd be claiming the CFO is not approving the request within a reasonable time period and a judge could order the CFO to issue it immediately. I've read on here that most times the CFO will just issue it rather than deal with the court.
Take your RPAL out of your wallet and look at what it says on the back at the bottom left hand corner.(English)
It doesn't say Betty from Miramichi does it?
All licences MUST be approved by the CFO of the province in which you reside.
You are right - it wasn't Betty, it was Linda
You are right - it wasn't Betty, it was Linda
You lucky dog you. I hear Linda likes it, likes it a lot.
Here is my LTATT experience..... I purchased a Ruger Mark III, the dealer sent all the paperwork in......three weeks later they sent it all a second time. This was the pistol reg, Ltatt including proof of range membership. I called at the four week mark to make they have what they needed only to be told they did have the paper work and it will take a while.....The BC office was very busy and the NS office was helping with work load. The officer then told me that they had no copy of my range membership and I would need to send one in. I mentioned that they had already received that item twice, and was told to resend the info. I faxed off the info for a third time, with in 24 hours as per their instructions. At the Seven week mark I got a call from the dealer to say we were good to go. Upon arrival I realize I have a ATT one time, from dealer to home. .....kinda confused.....so I spent a day on the phone trying to get through....(well 40 min on hold). I was told the registration and LTATT would be in the mail. When it arrived it was week 8, and my gun club was incorrect. I sent the info in 3 times....... I called the CFO only to hang out on hold for a good part of the morning, and was told, " If you want to have that corrected, you will have to send in the proof again and this could take 6 weeks to process." Don't leave the house with your pistol. Stunned I hung up the phone....
The next day I decided I was not going to roll over to this and called back to tell them it was their error and they can fix it. Well....the message I got was....due to high call volumes call back later. I could not even leave a message.....
I did this 4 days in a row, before I got someone in NS who said they would look into it and make a not on my file. It has been a couple more weeks now....no word....called this morning...got the high call volume message.
So where does this leave me......I have the wrong paper work for my pistol, and I cant communicate with the CFO...?
The next day I decided I was not going to roll over to this and called back to tell them it was their error and they can fix it. Well....the message I got was....due to high call volumes call back later. I could not even leave a message.....
I did this 4 days in a row, before I got someone in NS who said they would look into it and make a not on my file. It has been a couple more weeks now....no word....called this morning...got the high call volume message.
So where does this leave me......I have the wrong paper work for my pistol, and I cant communicate with the CFO...?
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Maybe you should send the description of this interaction to your local federal political representative.It looks like they are using the ltatt system to discourage and dissuade people from joining the sport.Its time the ltatt system was revamped and the cost of managing this useless data base looked at.
I made a phone call earlier. The lady i talked to seems nice enough, not customer service nice, but good enough. At least i know they have received my paperwork and transfer request. She told me it's gonna take a few week.
I'm gonna call again next week to check. We'll see
I'm gonna call again next week to check. We'll see
machinerydoctor
Regular
- Location
- Fraser Valley BC
Some of the people at the BC CFO office are awesome. I purchased my first handgun back in February and due to a lack of understanding and proceedures that were poorly covered or not covered at all during the FSAC and restricted courses I ended up screwing things up royaly by not understanding what I was doing. I purchased a hard to find pistol by phone in another city and had not yet applied for an LTATT although I had purchased a range membership while still taking the restricted course. During several phone calls I spoke with different people one was an all business but not overly friendly woman and the other was a guy who was fantastic. I apologized for my lack of knowledge and the guy bent over backwards to not make me feel stupid and took great pains to explain everything and took the trouble to check that I understood completely. The most recent experience with the BC CFO was my wifes purchase of a Glock G17 from a business. She already had her ATT and the transfer and STATT took a few days short of 3 weeks.
