best for Elk at distance 7 mm mag or 300 win mag ?

They are both good. Find some buddies with either and go out shooting. See which one you like the best. IF you don't handload there's probably more choices for factory ammo in the 300wm.
 
IF you run a 180 berger VLD out of a 7rem mag at 2750 fps , and you run a berger 180 VLD out of a 30 cal at 3100 Fps... The Rem hits just as hard ... actually almost identical as the 30 cal at 1000 yards due to the high BC you get from 7mm Diameter. Check your calculators. The 7mm will spit out those numbers with at least %30 less recoil. In order to get the same BC from a 30 cal your gonna have to go to about a 210 berger i believe in the 30 cal and your probably not gonna get more than 2850fps out of a 300 with a 210gr. I will add, at this point the biggest bullet you can put in a 7mm right now is a 180.

I have a friend that has had about 10 $5000 long range rifles including 300 win and 300 ultra and has now finally landed on a 7rem mag. He has some how managed to get 2.5 in groups at 600 yards at 3000fps with a 180 VLD ... I think hes luckey to get that accuracy with that bullet going that fast butt... i dont think a 300 win can touch those numbers at 1000 yards.

I personnaly love the 7mm for what you get for the recoil. The new high BC bullets that are now available has really taken this round to another level. Ive taken deer out to 800 yards with my 7mm at the numbers i gave you, and they fell where they stood and were dead before they hit the ground.
 
If a 7 runs a 162 Amax, a 300 needs to spit a 208 to rival its BC. If a 7 runs a 180 VLD, a 300 needs to run a 215 to match/trump it. Mind you the 230 .308 cal hybrid is in another realm...same could be said for 190 and 200 grn. .284" pills, then you're getting into muzzle breaks and heavy contours.

My shoulder tells me to go 7mm....
 
The big 7's and high BC bullets are amazing at long range. Less recoil, awesome 160 to 180 grain bullets that hit very hard well beyond what anyone normal should be attempting at game. It all depends on your hunting style, where you hunt, and what makes you smile. Either one will do whatever you ask of it, within reasonable limits.
 
archie_james_c said:
If a 7 runs a 162 Amax, a 300 needs to spit a 208 to rival its BC. If a 7 runs a 180 VLD, a 300 needs to run a 215 to match/trump it. Mind you the 230 .308 cal hybrid is in another realm...same could be said for 190 and 200 grn. .284" pills, then you're getting into muzzle breaks and heavy contours.

My shoulder tells me to go 7mm....
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And again ... with the 215 your velocities are going to drop and the recoil is gonna be brutal ... As you mentioned with the muzzle breaks. If your hand loading the 7mm, its hard to beat right now.

Whos making 200gr 284 pills right now ? seirra ? my buddy was at a gun show in Vancouver in the spring and he was at bergers table and the rep said they were talking about putting out a 195 VLD with a BC of almost .800, i think he said. Whats the BC of those 200 pills ? I would really like to get into a bigger bullet in my 7MM. I would like another 200 ft pounds at 1000.

hahahah my buddy called as i was writing this and i said i was gonna google a 200gr .284 ... Jokingly he said " its probably got a BC of 1"

here we go ... this is gonna be the Sh*t !

http://www.longrangehunting.com/for...e-7mm-195-gr-eol-hybrid-hunting-bullet-85792/
 
Im not sure I know the Wildcat 200 grn ULD was kicking around but I'm sure its limited. I was just trying to convey the point that the 7mm is more, for far, far less.

Matrix is making a 190 VLD right now with an estimated .807 BC, ***rumour*** has it that BC isnt close, its actually in the mid .700s? Something for you to look at anyways.
 
Roger .. my 7mm will need a barrel next year. Definatly gonna run a tighter twist for these new heavier bullets ... If figure if a guy could get that 195 going 3000 , would be a lot of fun to bang away on iron at 1500 yards.
 
I am going to the 300 for same type of game you talk about, I have thought a lot about it and 7mm is a awesome cartridge but do like the extra power. I think I will probably get the T3, in that caliber. Shot my brothers and has a real good kick to it, about the same as my heavier 340 weatherby.
 
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Both cartridges are excellent, and both will do the job. As far as felt recoil it depend of the stock configuration and the total weight of the rig, I hunt with both, I reload 175 grain for the 7mm mag and 190 grain tip for the 300 WM, both in my case perform best at maximum load and the recoil is very manageable, however my 7mm mag kick harder and different than the 300 WM. The 7 is more of a kick when the 300 is more of a push.
One last comment, I am very amused when I read coment relating to 1000 and 1500 yards performance.....I wonder how many of the writhers practice shoots at 400/500 yrds with success... big difference in taking those shoots sitting confortably on a bench than out in the field on real huntig situations..........
 
archie_james_c said:
Im not sure I know the Wildcat 200 grn ULD was kicking around but I'm sure its limited. I was just trying to convey the point that the 7mm is more, for far, far less.

Matrix is making a 190 VLD right now with an estimated .807 BC, ***rumour*** has it that BC isnt close, its actually in the mid .700s? Something for you to look at anyways.
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According to Bryan Litz the Wildcat 200gr ULD had a BC of .703 and the Matrix 190 has a BC of .673
 
roberto mervici said:
Both cartridges are excellent, and both will do the job. As far as felt recoil it depend of the stock configuration and the total weight of the rig, I hunt with both, I reload 175 grain for the 7mm mag and 190 grain tip for the 300 WM, both in my case perform best at maximum load and the recoil is very manageable, however my 7mm mag kick harder and different than the 300 WM. The 7 is more of a kick when the 300 is more of a push.
One last comment, I am very amused when I read coment relating to 1000 and 1500 yards performance.....I wonder how many of the writhers practice shoots at 400/500 yrds with success... big difference in taking those shoots sitting confortably on a bench than out in the field on real huntig situations..........
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I personally dont shoot inside 300 anymore ,If im having problems i start at 300 for a group or 2 then jump straight to 600. That may only be once or twice a year. I generally shoot every week or 2 between 700 and 1150. But yes a most guys dont shoot much past 500. When getting into these magnum cartridges i like to put up numbers for 1000 yards just because thats where your really gonna see whats what.

I almost am starting to think that if guys are gonna shoot inside 500 the 300WSM is the way to go. I put together a rem 700 alaska TI in 300WSM. I use it for hiking in the mountains. With the optics on it right now im only confident shooting 450yards. With a 165 accubond its only good for 600 anyway. Nice to shave some weight with a short action and a 24inch barrel, lots of power inside 500 aswell

We dont have a range past 600, and being that your gonna shoot off a backpack or a bipod in the field ... thats how i do it. Ive never shot anything but prone 600+
 
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