Body Armour Sales to Civilians - VERY IMPORTANT FOR ALL!
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I'm definitely in favour of body armour and suppressors being legal and commonly available. Seriously. Passive safety equipment.
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"The Export Control List (ECL) identifies specific goods that are controlled for export from Canada to other countries."
"anyone dealing with the following controlled goods in Canada identified in the ECL is required to register with the CGP:"
Dealing, as in exporting.... (Is how I read it)
Also,
"28. These Regulations come into force on April 30, 2001."
"anyone dealing with the following controlled goods in Canada identified in the ECL is required to register with the CGP:"
Dealing, as in exporting.... (Is how I read it)
Also,
"28. These Regulations come into force on April 30, 2001."
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Exactly...well put. This is a pant load IMO.
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Your not allowed to have protective gear because it makes you safer?... right..... What a crock.
I would like to read it that way as well but Ottawa already has that covered. From Chemist (post #10, second link):
CGP Registration
Registration with the Controlled Goods Program (CGP) is mandatory for any person examining, possessing or transferring controlled goods in Canada. Furthermore, to transfer a controlled good outside of Canada, registration with the CGP is a prerequisite for the issuance of an export permit by the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada. Failure to do so may constitute an offence under federal laws that could lead to prosecution and substantial sanctions against the offender.
Fortunately, they also gave us a way in .... if we are willing to take it:
Who can register?
Individuals are eligible to register with the CGP provided they carry on business in Canada, give their consent to a security assessment and are a Canadian citizen or a permanent resident ordinarily resident in Canada.
I am unsure as to the first phrase "carry on business in Canada". Does it mean you must be a firearms dealer to qualify?
Consent to a security assessment
That means finger prints id check blah blah blah... In other words if you want your prints on file for the rest of your life do it... I refuse to do anything that makes me give finger prints just out of principal that means I used to volunteer for things and now I don't simply because I said background check fine finger prints to the police no thanks. They offer you a bottle of water and try to take it away at the end that’s how they try tricking you into giving them prints. I stick the bottle in my pocket and take it with me because I know that simple trick... They take it out of the trash to get prints on people that they want info on and don't have them on file for example.
So in other words bend over and take it...
I think a charter argument is in order... Right to life....
It's only legal if the law says it goes over the charter of rights like some do like martial law for example charter rights don't apply. Its in the law...
So are they going to go after the :
-bull riders (or rough stock rodeo events in general) that use them
-the many people that wear them when they ride their motorcycle
Does a having a PBR card work as an requirement to have one.
Even if you have the current requirement to have one, how they hell would they know if your requirement changed.
WTF once again stupidity at the highest level and punishment of the law abiding citizen.
Pretty sure no gang member is going to apply to get one, they will just get one illegally anyway just like they do firearms.
I was just thinking of my bull riding gear I just sold. They are soft plate armour that any idiot can go buy where bull riding gear is sold. This is pathetic.
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I'm not a lawyer, but I still see this as an export controlling regulation. Initially, I wrote that I thought it gave permission to 'tac teams,' SWATs and other civilian para-military outfits to equip themselves with armaments that are used by the military - like flashbangs and armour plated vehicles. BUT, I think it is focused on exporting - arms trading. Exporting or running a business is a regulated activity - you need permission. (This country isn't free by any means...) I see this as regulations of a controlled activity - like selling cigarettes (regulations to not sell to under 19 or whatever)... I don't think it is illegal to buy cigarettes if you are under 19, but illegal to sell - so the onus is on the person undertaking the regulated activity to follow the rules. You might agree with that - the point of contention might be whether it applies to sales within Canada or to a country outside (which is my contention).
Even in your quote above, the next sentence is " to transfer a controlled good outside of Canada..."
Interesting and I don't know anyone in trade law.... It does say enacted in 2001 in the controlled Goods Regulations (SOR/2001-32)
is that stuff ballistics rated?
I honestly have no idea. Maybe that is how they get around it. Lump it in with the wanna be knife proof vests that University guards wear and nobody tries to regulate it. I am sure Google can tell us if bull riding vests are ballistics rated. Just from wearing them, I can tell you they are not super heavy, so if they could stop a projectile, it would only be the smallest calibres, I would guess.
Civilians can buy body armour as long as they have a valid PAL. Most provinces are bringing in their own acts that regulate the sale and purchase of body armour and issue permits etc. As long as it isn't designed for military use seems to be the key here.
Just my opinnion but this for companys dealing in controlled goods export and import for sales they can track amounts. then when they are sold the civil laws state who can get them. why would they have made provincial laws if the feds had these covered already.
I highly doubt this is even close to enforceable. With all the unknowns, loopholes and cutbacks the chances of this impacting your run of the mill civi are low.
Looks to me just another law they can nail someone with if they don't like them and have them in custody.
Looks to me just another law they can nail someone with if they don't like them and have them in custody.
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